Thanks, Paul. Donal and I have on occasion exchanged music -- he has a very eclectic and interesting taste. Though I knew he was swimming in that river, I had no idea where the current was carrying him. I'm more of the I-don't-know-much-about-music-but-I-know-what-I-like type. I envy anyone knowledgeable enough about anything to be able to talk cryptically about it. Mike Geary Memphis ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Stone To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:32 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Summer time in the city, back of my neck's gettin' dirty and gritty Mike asked: Btw, does anyone have any idea what Donal's btw in his last post was all about??? I would ask him, but I'm afraid he might answer and my life is complicated enough as it is and it's just too damn hot to try to make sense of anything. You mean THIS one? tw: do many 'get' the allusion in the thread title? Too few perhaps (it's a multiple allusion actually - the kind Tony Wilson seemed to like - taking in Neil Young's 'Rust Never Sleeps' which was cited in Kurt Cobain's 'I'm-joining-that-stupid-mom' last note, who was deeply influenced by Joy Division and the self-hanging Ian Curtis, which band was arguably brought to light through Wilson's endeavours (and taste)....And so it goes............Not btw parading through allusion my knowledge (as of, say, Heidegger) so much as paying tribute and also curious what knowledge there is on the list of what is perceived by some as important in contemporary culture, which includes punk - as Neil Young recognised in 'Rust Never Sleeps'. Basta. Here's an attempt to explain it: Tony Wilson, one of the driving forces behind Punk Rock died on August 10th. (hence the first part of the subject heading) Then, he threw in a line from Neil Young's "Rust Never Sleeps" you know "my my hey hey rock and roll is here to stay" etc. "The king is dead but he's not FORGOTTEN/this is a story 'bout Johnny Rotten" but inverted it. Kurt Cobain's Suicide note ended with a quote from Young's same song "it's better to burn out than fade away" Also... Joy Division (a band that Wilson was also fond of)'s Ian Curtis offed himself too. fueling Donal's curiosity, A bit, paul