In a message dated 4/17/2004 6:55:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: The problem is whether a. blue is simple or complex - if blue can be analysed in terms of statements of velocity it might seem it is *not* an EP or elementary name. b. is 'here' an EP - or can the space-time point it points to be further broken down in terms of more specific 'heres' [here in my room can be broken down in the many points of 'here' in my room]. And is there a specifiable end to this breaking down where we arrive an some sayable EPs? My hunch is no. My hunch would be that 'GREEN here' is not elementary since, it is physically provable, 'Green Here' would be logically equivalent to 'Blue AND Yellow Here'. There is a complication with this: the American flag is Red, White and Blue. White does not really count, but that does not make the flag VIOLET, does it. Usually the colour mentioned for 'elementary propositions' is _yellow_ as does G. E. Moore in _Principia Ethica_. The 'here' in 'Yellow here' is _not_ space-temporal but refers to the Perception of the Sense Datum. It means 'Yellow hic et nunc', 'yellow in my (stream of) consciousness', as Virginia Woolf memorably put it. Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html