In a message dated 6/21/2011 12:15:43 P.M., john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx writes: an alternative to the "collectivist" ideals associated, during the Cold War, with socialism and communism. Neither the article nor the book reviewed supports this position, which makes references to Hume or Kant a bit beside the point. In contrast Geary's "unAmerican" seems spot on. --- McCreery never sees my posts, so why should I bother? In any case, I think Geary is simplifying. Rawls, for example, and his collectivist model of 'freedom' is _VERY_ American, and hardly 'rational choice'. It may be that the value of "American Americanness" -- e.g. the ideal of freedom, or liberty, or equality -- are NOT dependent on 'rational choice'. It _is_ a fact, though, that Schelling -- who created all this with his "theory of conflict" did develop "homo aeconomicus" along American lines. As it happens, "rational choice" philosophy is Griceian -- to the backbone. But Grice wants to analyse the pre-rational basis for rationality. So, I agree with all that R. Paul says about 'rational' per se being pretty meaningless (Grice's example: "The price of the shoes is reasonable, not irrational"). It depends on _desires_ being reasonable, and again, with a caveat as to what level we are talking about. R. Paul brings Frankfurt into the bargain. But Watson, in his "Personal Identity" (Oxford readings in philosophy), applying Grice's early "Personal identity" (1941, Mind) notes that one's higher-order desires do NOT constitute one's "I" in the sense (or way) that ground-floor desires do. So this is a complication. ------ In general, I prefer to think that it was D. F. Pears, rather than Davidson, who popularised 'rational choice' philosophy in Oxford, with the naive claim that causes are reasons. And so on. So the context goes beyond American or unAmerican. American or not, if you must. Cheers. JL Speranza ------ ref. "Grape sours?" ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html