How soon did Britain ramp up once they recognized the threat Hitler represented? Not very. On page 340 of On the Origins of War, and the Preservation of Peace, Donald Kagan writes, "The British refused to heed the warnings entirely. Mein Kampf was not taken seriously but regard as the ravings of a rabble rouser that would be discarded once he assumed the responsibilities of power. Typical was the view the weekly magazine The Spectator expressed a couple of years later: It is true, and a pity, that the notorious volume [Mein Kampf] Is still circulated in unrevised form and regarded as the gospel of the Nazi movement. But even so, if there is some incompatibility between the policies embodied in a volume written in prison by a defeated rebel in 1924 and those proclaimed to the world by the titular head of the German Reich in 1935, it is reasonable to regard the latter as the more authoritative, pending proof to the contrary. "Such proof, of course, was not long in coming, but it was not enough to break through the resistance of the appeasement mentality. An expert on German affairs who would later take the lead in criticism of the Nazis and of their appeasement insisted in March 1933 that 'Hitler . . . does not want war. He is susceptible to reason in foreign policy. . . . He may be described as the most moderate member of his party.' Only during the question period after his speech did he admit that he had not yet read Mein Kampf. "Accepting the warnings of Hitler's evil regime and intentions would have implied taking action against him, but the mood of the country seemed firmly opposed even to the thought of armaments and war, for whatever reason. Only a month after Hitler took power, in February 1933, the Oxford Union held a debate on the motion: 'That this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country.' A noted writer and lecturer, C. E. M. Joad, spoke for the affirmative, asserting that the question was put wrongly. It should have read: 'that this House would never commit murder on a large scale whenever the Government decided it should do so.' . . . He ridiculed the last war as an exercise in futility and recommended that even if Britain were invaded 'only at most a policy of passive resistance should be adopted.' The motion passed 275 to 153: when, later on, a motion was proposed to expunge the 'King and Country' motion from the record, the proposal was defeated 750 to 138. . . . the vote must be seen as reflecting widespread resistance among those educated in universities to any idea of pursuing national interests and security or trying to preserve the peace through armaments and deterrence. In 1927 the Cambridge Union had voted for 'uncompromising pacifism,' and in 1933 in more than twenty universities resolutions like that of the Oxford Union were approved. Whether such actions came to the notice or affected the thinking of Hitler or Mussolini can be debated, but it is hard to believe they failed to attract the attention of British politicians. "A surer and more potent influence came from a by-election in the London district of East Fulham in 1934. The Labour candidate portrayed his Conservative opponent, who favored maintaining Britain's military strength, as a warmonger. George Lansbury, the Labour Party leader, made a campaign speech in which he promised to 'close every recruiting station, disband the Army and disarm the Air Force,' and the Labour candidate won . . . 'East Fulham frightened the government out of what sense they had.' " Comment: Right here on Lit-Ideas more than one person pooh-poohed the notion that Ahmadinejad's speeches in which he promised to wipe Israel out of existence ought to be taken seriously. An individual, Irene, assured me on Lit-Ideas that Ahmadinejad was a reasonable man, "susceptible to reason in foreign policy." Let Bush sit down with him. Surely something good will come from that. Without doubt there are many today who would vote just as the Oxford Union did, even being fully apprised of what Hitler did later on. They would use some reasoning like Phil's: Just because appeasement didn't work in the past doesn't mean it wouldn't work now. They would resolve, "this [fill in the blank] will in no circumstances fight for [America]. It will never commit murder [an expression also used by Mike Geary] on a large scale whenever the Government decided to do so." The intellectual descendents of the Oxford Union are saying some of the same things their forebears said back in 1933. The great university town Berkeley tried to kick the Marine Corps recruiters out of it. Does anyone need a special investigation to inform them as to the predominate view in Berkeley about American military preparedness? Fortunately for America, the view that predominated in Britain in 1933 is a minority view in America in 2008. We have plenty of Oxford Union-types speaking out, but fortunately for us, they don't run foreign policy - at least not yet. Mike Geary I know has high hopes for Barak Obama. Things could change. But even if Obama turned out to be everything Geary is hoping for, Britain was still able to ramp up and do a Battle of Britain and presumably we could eventually correct any Oxford-Union-type errors . . . eventually. Lawrence Helm San Jacinto