[lit-ideas] Re: Guns and the older woman, continued

From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Lit-Ideas" <Lit-Ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:11:12 -0700
And Mike, how is it you are anxious to confiscate every American's gun,
except for select Swatters - not trusting them at all - expressing zero
tolerance toward them; while at the same time feeling sanguine about Iran's
obtaining nuclear weapons?  I can see confiscating weapons from those in
society who represent a threat - people such as convicted criminals,
nutcases, etc.  Those people we should worry about.  But taking guns from
the ordinary citizens in a democracy strikes me as . . . anti-democratic.
The citizens, according to you are not to be trusted.  Instead of a
democracy, you want to trust the state.  Trust the state, you say, and its
minions with badges.  They are your friend.    

Shoot, maybe Mike's right.  He probably trusts the state a lot more than I
do.  Let me check some of his old messages . . . hmm.  Bush is a x*@36&!!!
The dirty rotten Neocons are . . .  Rumsfeld is . . . Chaney is . . . .
Gosh - doesn't sound like he trust's the state at all.  Maybe I didn't check
far enough back.

Lawrence

 

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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Guns and the older woman, continued

 

 

Reminds me of Nigeria.  My friend the Nigerian Airways Rep said that guns
aren't allowed there and the punishment is severe if one is caught with a
gun; so small gangs of teenagers and young men can pretty much rob whomever
they like.  They have a few spears, some knives, and every once in a while
one will have a gun, but it may or may not work.  The thing is, no family or
person can readily prevent these small gangs from robbing a person or a
house.  Civilians are at their mercy.  My friend wanted to buy a gun while
he was here.  He was willing to risk the penalty rather than give into one
of these gangs -- of course this is the real world and not your mythical
paradise where everyone loves everyone else . . . in fact, pardon the
intrusion.  Go on with your fantasy.

 

. . . but, but, but, policemen will be our friends???  Did you really read
this:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/04/26/0426feds.h
tml  

 

And how are the police going to carry out a no-knock warrant if they don't
get guns?  Don't forget, you are engaging in a fantasy.  People WILL have
guns, especially behind doors the police want to break down with no-knock
warrants . . . most of the time . .. except for the older women.

 

Lawrence

 

 

------------Original Message------------

From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Date: Fri, Apr-27-2007 12:19 PM

Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Guns and the older woman, continued

LH:

>>Another observation has to do with the police.  In Mike's mythical future,


>>all civilians have had their guns taken away and melted down into pruning 

>>hooks.  Only the police have guns.<<

 

 

Wrong again.  Can't you gun nuts get anything right?  The police would not 

be allowed to carry guns (or even own them) in my world.  There would 

probably have to be a SWAT unit, but it would be very select and very, very 

well trained.  But they would doubtless be as lonely as the Maytag 

repairman.  There's no reason for anyone to have a gun if no one else has a 

gun.  So you can relax, Lawrence, policemen will be your friends.

 

Mike Geary
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