[lit-ideas] Re: Grice and Foot on the foundations of morality

  • From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 08:11:24 EDT

The wiki has a good essay on Foot. This is an excerpt from the latter  bits:
 
"Her book, Natural Goodness, attempts a different line. The question, what  
we have most reason to do, is tied to the idea of the good working of 
practical  reason. This in turn is tied to the idea of the species of an animal 
as  providing a measure of good and bad in the operations of its parts and  
faculties. Just as one has to know what kind of animal one is dealing with, 
to  decide whether its eyesight is good or bad, the question of whether a 
subject's  practical reason is well developed, depends on the kind of animal 
that she is.  (This idea is developed in the light of a conception of animal 
kinds or species  as implicitly containing "evaluative" content, which may be 
criticized on  contemporary biological grounds, although it is arguable, 
even on that basis,  that it is very deeply entrenched in human cognition.) In 
our case what makes  for a well constituted practical reason, depends on 
the fact that we are human  beings characterized by certain possibilities of 
emotion and desire, a certain  anatomy, neurological organization, and so 
forth."

"Of course it might be suggested that this is precisely not the case,  that 
human beings are of the second kind, and thus that the justice and  
benevolence we esteem are artificial and false. Foot would hold that  
considerations of machismo and lady-likeness are artificial and false; they are 
 matters 
of "mere convention" that tend to put one off of the main things. That  
being how it is with justice, was the position of the Platonic "immoralists"  
Callicles and Thrasymachus, and that being how it is with benevolence, was the 
 view of Nietzsche.
In the case of Callicles and Nietzsche this apparently is  to be shown by 
claiming that justice and benevolence, respectively, only can be  inculcated 
by warping the emotional apparatus of the individual. Foot's book  ends by 
attempting to defuse the evidence Nietzsche brings against what might be  
called, the common sense position. She proceeds by accepting his basic premise  
that a way of life that can only be inculcated by damaging the individual's 
 passions, filling one with remorse, resentment, and so forth, is not true. 
She  employs exactly the Nietzschean form of argument against certain forms 
of  femininity, for example, or exaggerated forms of acceptance of 
etiquette.  Justice and benevolence, she claims however, "suit" human beings, 
and 
there is  no reason to accept the critique of Callicles or Nietzsche in this  
case."

The essay lists her books, but not her essays:
 
Virtues and Vices and Other Essays in Moral Philosophy. Berkeley:  
University of California Press; Oxford: Blackwell, 1978 (there are more recent  
editions). 

Natural Goodness. Oxford: Clarendon Press, 2001. 

Moral Dilemmas: And Other Topics in Moral Philosophy, Oxford: Clarendon  
Press, 2002. 

References
^ "Philippa Foot obituary". The Guardian. October 5, 2010.  
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/05/philippa-foot-obituary.  
^  Critique of Practical Reason, Book 1, Chapter 3, "[W]e pretend with 
fanciful  pride to set ourselves above the thought of duty, like volunteers.... 
[B]ut yet  we are subjects in it, not the sovereign," 
^ Eilenberg, Susan (5 September  2002). "With A, then B, then C". London 
Review of Books 24 (17): 3–8.  
 
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Grice, H. P. The conception of value. For a discussion of Grice's take on  
Foot on 'Morality as a system of hypothetical imperatives' and further 
personal  discussion he held with her. 
 
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Speranza
 
 
In a message dated 10/10/2010 7:46:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Per  usual, a Popn. take on this:-

--- On Sun, 10/10/10, Phil Enns  <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:




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