Note that JL has put forward an ambitious but vague claim, that the
ommission of 'in a way' would 'alter the substance.' It certainly would not
do so if we take 'alter the substance' to mean that the truth value of a
statement would be altered by this ommission. At most the connotational
meaning could be affected, but if we wish to connote that the event is
unusual, the use of" for once" does that job. Piling up further word waste
such as 'in a way' does nothing, as far as I can see. The only thing that
would be altered by the omission is the wording, and for the better.
O.K.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On the other hand, the omission of 'in a way' WOULD alter the substance.
The idea is that there are, shall we say, normal ways, and abnormal ways.
Let me give you an extra example.
ii. It was Christmas Eve, zero at the thermometer. But considering it was
Christmas, there was nothing extraordinary about that. Seasonable
weather,
for once in a way.">
I admit this extra example illustrates the sense claimed: that "in a way"
could add the sense that the "for once" occurs in an abnormal or unusual
way.
But is this example drawn from Wodehouse? If not, it is tenuous to use it
to give this sense to Wodehouse's "for once in a way". Only if it is drawn
from Wodehouse might this example be cogently used to impute the same
meaning to the other examples.
Donal
On Wednesday, 15 April 2015, 10:48, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On the other hand, the omission of 'in a way' WOULD alter the substance.
*I'd say that we can safely conclude that this is impossible on analytic
grounds. For something to 'alter the substance', there needs to be some
substance in the first place. Here, quite obviously, there is none.
O.K.
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Redacted sender Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx for
DMARC <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
i. For once in a way there was nothing which Lord Emsworth was trying to
conceal from his sister Constance." -- P. G. Wodehouse.
In a message dated 4/14/2015 10:27:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: "[The opening phrase, 'for once in a
way'] is an
idiomatic expression where "in a way" adds nothing but a kind of flavouring
to "For once...". There are many kinds of such expression in English where
words are added for flavour and emphasis even though their omission would
not alter the substance: "Do it immediately if not sooner", "That applies
to everyone and anyone else". Though closer in sense would be an
expression
like "Once upon a time and a time it was..."."
On the other hand, the omission of 'in a way' WOULD alter the substance.
The idea is that there are, shall we say, normal ways, and abnormal ways.
Let me give you an extra example.
ii. It was Christmas Eve, zero at the thermometer. But considering it was
Christmas, there was nothing extraordinary about that. Seasonable weather,
for once in a way."
So we proceed compositionally:
FOR ONCE + IN A WAY
(a) + (b) (as Geary says, "alas, all is algebra")
where we are trying to get at the implicatum of each conjunct:
(a) is easy enough:
"For once". I.e.:
iiia. Compared to *other* past Christmas Eves that had hot weather or rain,
'for this one time' the weather was normal, i.e. cold.
(b) is more of a trick, but still intelligible (As Witters says, "if the
usage exists, the usage means.").
"in a way". I.e.:
iiib. While the weather was not *completely normal*, it was normal 'in some
way' (i.e. it was cold), but in other ways (maybe) it was abnormal (no
snow).
So back to
i. For once in a way there was nothing which Lord Emsworth was trying to
conceal from his sister Constance.
iv. For once, in some UNEXPECTED way, there was nothing which Lord Emsowrth
was trying to conceal fom his sister Constance.
where the expectation applies to Lord Emsworth, and those who knew him well
(as the narrator, P. G. Wodehouse) did.
A Popperian may relate this to CONFIRMATION theory, and reject the
conceptual analysis as 'confirmationist'. The Popperian approach may run
along the
lines that if something happens 'for once' it must by necessity happen in
some "unexpected way", turning "in a way' _otiose_. This would be an
analytic claim, but surely most English expressions don't need to be
_analytic_ in
that way. Cfr.
v. For once, in some EXPECTED way, Lord Emsworth felt he had lost his way.
I.e. when visiting the East End of London, say -- here the 'expected'
applies to both Wodehouse -- he assumes that Lord Emsworth would lose his
way in
the East End -- and Lord Emsworth: even though this was his first time in
the East End, he still EXPECTED to lose his way.
Cheers,
Speranza
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