[lit-ideas] FW REPOST Re: Sustaining our Resolve
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:28:52 -0400
I didn't see this come through. I'm sending it again.
Lawrence, if I maxed you out, it's because you can't handle facts. I didn't
respond to you because talking to you is pointless. It's precisely your type
of thinking that got us into the mess in Iraq, that everything is hunky dory,
we're winning up a storm there, any minute they'll have democracy, let's not
look at anything, etc. etc. If you believe 3,000+ deaths a month is leading to
democracy and the country being partitioned into three parts counts as winning,
then certainly, we have a heck of a victory there. That is the reason I didn't
respond to you.
As far as cutting and pasting posts in their entirety and saying nothing about
them, I take that as assuming that the comments stand as written, that you have
no response. That works for me.
As far as you hostility toward traitors, you think the courts in this country
are traitors. Your opinions, Lawrence, are worthless. I personally hope that
your hostility toward Leftist/Islamist anti-American traitors will never
dissipate and that you spend the rest of your life hating every fellow creature
and person on this planet, because that's all you're capable of. BTW, you
forgot to mention that Iran is the Great Satan. You slippin' or what?
---- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 8/20/2006 8:38:30 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Sustaining our Resolve
Andeas: Ordinarily Id love to interact with your ill-informed
poorly-researched abusive anti-American notes, but Irene maxed me out and I
ended up telling her to go talk to someone else -- or words to that effect. In
her case I had no one particularly in mind, but you are in luck. Since then
Lit-Ideas has acquired a new member, Jack Sprat, who started a discussion
called Islam R Us. I know you dont like long notes but his is short: check
it out:
As new member of this list a question is on my mind. If the Christian and
philosophical underpinnings of the west are built upon the thoughts of
Aristotle, and these thoughts were preserved by Islamic scholars while Europe
was wallowing in the Platonic Dark Ages, why this disengagement by westerners
from recognizing Islam as a major contributor to what the west has become?
Rather than comparing the US to Rome would it not be more helpful to compare it
to Islam? After all Islam is a scientific, philosophical, religious and warrior
empire that survived, not to mention that it is an empire that cannot be
defined geographically not unlike the spread of unrestrained global capitalism.
It may be that the wests thought processes run along the same lines as Islam
but denial is a strong force.
Irene didnt take long to find Jack and responded with something downright
provocative: Mr. Spratt, welcome to the list. I assume you're an American,
even if you presumably eat no fat. This is an interesting premise. Perhaps
it's because Islam only preserved, didn't create, where the Greeks created.
But then, the Romans copied the Greeks. Christianity was to some extent based
in philosophy, while Islam is strictly theology. The Europeans veered away
from religion with the advent of the Renaissance, while Islam veered more
strongly toward religion. Religion is a perpetual Dark Ages. Sometimes we
clash with that which we see ourselves in. We, the U.S., don't want to admit
we're moving into, or have moved into, a new Dark Ages, so we reject that part
of ourselves by giving it onto others, the Islamists. In that sense We Are
Islam, and Islam is Us.
Well, that should get you going, Andreas. Have fun. Im sure my hostility
toward Leftist/Islamist anti-American traitors will dissipate in due time and
Ill be back to enjoying yours and Irenes notes as before.
Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Ramos
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 11:39 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Sustaining our Resolve
From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 1) We removed a Militant Islamic enemy, one who harbored terrorists,
one who practiced his pan-Arabism by invading one of our allies, one who
desired, acquired and used WMDs, and one who has supported terrorist
activities.
Andreas: What a string of false facts. . . yada yada yada deleted
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