Dang it Irene, you've got me laughing again. I tried to be serious and kind because of my supersensitive Marine Corps training, but you keep cracking me up. Think of it this way, we were trained to protect you so you can continue to do and think all the silly things you do and think. That's Entertainment . . . er, I mean "Liberal Democracy." We are free in this country to engage in all sorts of discussions even anti-American discussions because we have a fighting force capable of protecting those rights. Pious "peace begets peace" wishful thinking is nonsense as any student of history could tell you. It is too silly by far to even talk about. But let's do it just for fun. We elect, you, Irene Cassidy, President of the United States on the new Peace at any Price ticket. Mike Geary is your Vice President. You abolish the position of Defense Secretary in your cabinet, because you won't be needing that. In your acceptance speech you once again use those words that got you elected, "peace begets peace." Peaceniks from Cambridge Massachusetts to San Francisco California shout their approval with tears dripping down their cheeks. In your first week in office you abolish the Marine Corps and Army. In the Second you abolish the Navy, and order all ships mothballed. In your third you abolish the Air Force and order that all military airplanes be flown to deserts in Nevada and Southern California and parked there. The unbelieving world realizes that you are serious. The military might of the U.S. is no more. The rest of the world is on its own. Does that sound good to you Irene? Most strategic analyst would tell you (after they stopped laughing) that such a scenario, despite you sensitive tender feelings about matters of war, would produce more murder, mayhem and loss of life than if you had followed your predecessors in the White House and taken up the ongoing responsibility of protecting our borders and protecting weak nations against Rogue nations. They would tell you that there are several nations in the world that would love such a scenario. If they don't have the U.S. to worry about (the military force of the U.S.) then they would as Hans Morgenthau persuasively argued, invade and conquer their neighbors. I can imagine a snappy title for a history of your four years in office, Nightmare on Pennsylvania Avenue. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Yost Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:01 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Experience of War Andyrene: So you're saying that Lawrence is shut down? What amazes me about your style of discussion is the weird peripheral conclusions you draw from people's posts. It has an unsettling quality to it, sort of like watching an edgy Andy Rooney playing Grand Inquisitor in a surreal TV version of the Dostoevsky. What I offered had nothing to do with Lawrence. It was an account of several old men who had seen enough mayhem and hardship for countless lives, and yet who reacted to 9/11 with a call for massive retaliation. You'd think their long lives would have shown them the senselessness of war. Instead they knew a response was necessary. That's why I mentioned them. War as the folly of the young? Not always. War as the punishment old men exact upon the young? Not always. Knowing you have a committed enemy is not the same as yearning to fight that enemy. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html