Omar Kusturica wrote: "For example, it strikes me as inconsistent of Eric to say that he is not a supporter of the Administration and not a war advocate, yet constantly to post discussions and articles that defend the Administration and endorse war. Would this count as legitimate criticism on the list?" Certainly. Omar: "First off, I don't think that civility is the highest good." Nor do I. And I never said it was. What I did say was that civility is the ground of social and political discourse. Without civility, we have Hobbes' nasty, short and brutish. Omar concludes: "On another note, this is supposedly a philosophical not a social list, and the highest good in this context is truth rather than civility. Thus, we have a right, even perhaps a duty, to vigorously challenge and question each other's views and opinions." If truth is the highest good, in this context it cannot be had without civility. Once one drops civility, it is not truth that one is after but brutish dominance. Perhaps John and Andreas have succeeded in their goal to drive Eric into silence and then they can congratulate themselves concerning their love of humanity. Sadly, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html