Demographic concerns were an important element of Huntington's thesis and they are a major emphasis in Steyn's book as well. Japan isn't going to revert to militantism again because they have an aging population. China isn't going to be the threat that some fear because they have an aging population as well. All Islamic nations on the other hand have youthful populations; so they are the ones that we have to worry about. It's your 15 year-olds who get excited over each new book they read, the 15 to 25-year olds with lots of sap still running through their veins, that are the potential trouble-makers. But also there is the matter of rising and falling populations. European populations are falling. Islamic populations are rising. If these two populations remained separate then I wouldn't find some of Steyn's arguments persuasive. A falling population isn't all bad. It puts less stress on the envirnment, on agriculatural supplies, on natural resources, etc. Unfortunately for falling populations, the welfare aspects of our Western populations are dependent upon rising populations. We are living in a Ponzi scheme. Some European nations, such as Spain (with a birthrate of only 1.3 children person) don't produce enough children to sustain their population level. The average age of such populations is on the rise. Not to worry, Old Timers, there are huge numbers of young workers just to the south of you eager to come help you out. Over here in America as Bat Yeor said before Steyn, we don't have the European problem -- at least not yet. We haven't burdened ourselves with entitlements requiring the genius of Charles Ponzi to sustain. Oh we do have some of it. We have Social Security and periodically someone tries to base it upon something other than the philosophy of good old Charles, but he is shouted down pretty much as European leaders are when they try to bring their entitlements more in line with what they can actually afford. Bat Yeor and Mark Steyn both thinks Europe is doomed. Write it off. Call it Eurabia. Both say that America is the last hope of the West. But if the Left, the radical Left had its way, we would get out our walkers and scurry after old Europe as quickly as we can. Note the recent Lit-Ideas criticisms of Bush. A great number of them hold up Europe as our example. Look at all the entitlements they have that we don't. We should be ashamed of ourselves for not having them. We should become more like Europe, especially Scandinavian Europe, but any old Europe would be better than the United States. Why does the Left keep saying that? Is it because they think with their emotions? Is it because they haven't read a book since they were 15? It's difficult to fathom because they don't seem able to generate coherent, logical, arguments. What sorts of responses do I get when I mount an argument? My character is examined. My personal flaws are described, negatively of course. And if I've crossed over the line and been too vehement, then a curse or two seems to be in order. I can't help noticing that Bush is treated in the same way: Lots of character examination, lot's of analyses of his personal flaws, negatively, of course, and curses are directed his way in abundance, but I read no coherent logical responses. What alternatives has the political Left proposed? Might I summarize it as "we should become more like Europe"? If that's what we ought to do, then we'd better hurry before it's all gone. Lawrence, living in California with a population of 36,457,549, and growing. Whopee :-(