Andreas accused me of being a recipient of welfare because I served in the Marine Corps and worked in America' Defense Industry. There's no reason to belabor the nonsensical nature of that view, but there is a sense in which Defense Welfare exists. I am not the recipient of it, but our European allies are: "As for America's 'friends, there's another paradox of the non-imperial hyperpower: the United State garrisons not remote ramshackle colonies but its wealthiest allies, thereby freeing them to spend their tax revenues on luxuriant welfare programs rather than on tanks and aircraft carriers and thus further exacerbating the differences between America and the rest of the free world. Like any other form of welfare, defense welfare is a hard habit to break and damaging to the recipient. The peculiarly obnoxious character of modern Europe is a logical consequence of America's willingness to absolve it of responsibility for its own security. In 1796 George Washington wrote to Alexander Hamilton: 'The nation which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest.' "That neatly sums up the Euro-American relationship: the United States has become a slave to its habitual if largely misplaced fondness for Europe, while Europe has become a slave to its habitual if entirely irrational hatred for America. There's a line conservatives are fond of when they're discussing welfare: what's batter for a man -- to give him a fish or to teach him to fish for himself? That goes double for defense welfare." [Steyn, p 159-60] I don't know about that, Steyn. Do we really want to trust those wackos with weapons again? Lawrence