Andreas is into something: "And then there's politics and religion. These seem to thrive on logical impossiblity. The christian bible is a morass of illogical statements, riddled with logical contradictions. Yet that doesn't bother the believers at all. We can stick to our principles and say "that's irrational, and therefore you've lost", but that doesn't go anywhere. They still believe their ideas and we end up having to deal with that." I agree. It's sad to, but I have to. People are _aware_ that what they believe is _false_ and yet they convince themselves (or strictly, their selves) that it's still worth believing (with a bit of effort from the will). As the Oxford Dict. of Proverbs has it, "We soon believe what we desire" or "Desire is the mother of the thought" Tertulianus said that vigorously. HEATHEN: Virgin Mary was not a Virgin. TERTULIANUS: What do you mean? HEATHEN: She gave birth to a boy through her uterus. What virgin is that? TERTULIANOS: Credo, quia absurdum. HEATHEN: And then Moses opened the waters of the Nile? TERTULIANUS: What about it? HEATHEN: What, the river has ears? The river follows commands? TERTULIANUS: Credo, quia absurdum. HEATHEN: And he resurrected? TERTULIANUS: He who? HEATHEN: Jesus Christ! TERTULIANUS: Yes, he was crucified and buried, but resurrected -- was brought back to life and elevated in body and soul to the Heaven. Credo quia absurdum. HEATHEN: So we'll meet in Hell? TERTULIANUS: No -- with the apocalypse. HEATHEN: What's that? TERTULIANUS: When the bodies of the deceased will be brought to life in body and soul and meet the Maker. HEATHEN: Complete with fireworks? TERTULIANUS: Credo, quia absurdum Cheers, JL **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)