[lit-ideas] Re: Cato and welfare
- From: Teemu Pyyluoma <teme17@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:54:53 -0800 (PST)
I don't know about suicides in Sweden, I think you're
talking about Finland. Crime rates and particulary
international comparison of them is too complicated
for me. If you wan't to do some research your self,
head to Sweden's national statistic bureau at
http://www.scb.se/default____2154.asp
You should find immigration numbers there eventually,
but I'm happy enough with the numbers mentioned here:
"By the mid-1990s, nearly 950,000 of Sweden's 8.8
million inhabitants were people born in another
country. The total number with "foreign backgrounds"
(born abroad or having at least one foreign-born
parent) was 1.6 million, or nearly one fifth of all
Swedish inhabitants. A new multicultural society has
emerged in only a decade or so: a society that is here
to stay."
http://www.sweden.se/templates/Article____2283.asp
Good article btw.
Cheers,
Teemu
--- "mo@xxxxx" <mo@xxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Teemu,
> It's funny that you mention Sweden's crime rates -
> Sweden is another
> country that perplexes me. With several months of
> darkness in every
> year I'm not surprising that the country also has
> one of the highest
> suicide rates in the world.
>
> But I once heard that Sweden's murder rate is also
> one of the highest
> in the world.
>
> The only data I can find to support this is from
> this graph, which
> shows Sweden to be a close second behind the USA in
> the OECD murder
> rates (but the USA itself is behind such trail
> blazers as El
> Salvador).
>
> http://www.cely.com/firearms/graph10.html
>
> On the other hand more recent data from the WHO
> shows that the Swedes
> have mellowed out (Table A.7):
>
>
http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/world_report/en
> /annex.pdf
>
> So perhaps all that welfare is doing something.
>
> I had not thought of Sweden's immigration rates
> being so high - my
> only memory of "ethnic" Swedes centers around Dr
> Alban reminding me
> that "It's my life" in the 90s (an excellent tune).
> Can you point me
> to some statistics about this?
>
> The other strange side to Sweden is its
> environmentally-friendly
> rhetoric versus its economy. The companies I am most
> aware of are
> IKEA (disposable furniture), H&M (disposable
> clothing) and Ericsson
> (cell phones which they would love you to dispose of
> every year).
> Does anyone know how the Kyoto protocol is affecting
> the Swedish
> economy?
>
> mo
>
> -----Original Message from Teemu Pyyluoma
> <teme17@xxxxxxxxx>-----
>
> But what about Sweden? They have propably the
> highest
> percentage of immigrants per capita of the western
> countries (USA included I think, although I am too
> lazy to look up the stats,) high taxes, extensive
> wellfare state and seem on average quite happy to
> pay
> their taxes. I remember an online discussion where
> someone Swedish opined that (a) they get what they
> pay
> for (health care, education, etc.,) and (b) Swedish
> middle classes consider it a choice between
> providing
> wellfare for poorer people and being able to walk
> the
> streets without the fear of getting mugged and
> robbed.
> Nothing altruistic in that account, although it is
> not
> quite right.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Teemu
> Helsinki, Finland
>
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