Dear Teemu, It's funny that you mention Sweden's crime rates - Sweden is another country that perplexes me. With several months of darkness in every year I'm not surprising that the country also has one of the highest suicide rates in the world. But I once heard that Sweden's murder rate is also one of the highest in the world. The only data I can find to support this is from this graph, which shows Sweden to be a close second behind the USA in the OECD murder rates (but the USA itself is behind such trail blazers as El Salvador). http://www.cely.com/firearms/graph10.html On the other hand more recent data from the WHO shows that the Swedes have mellowed out (Table A.7): http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/violence/world_report/en /annex.pdf So perhaps all that welfare is doing something. I had not thought of Sweden's immigration rates being so high - my only memory of "ethnic" Swedes centers around Dr Alban reminding me that "It's my life" in the 90s (an excellent tune). Can you point me to some statistics about this? The other strange side to Sweden is its environmentally-friendly rhetoric versus its economy. The companies I am most aware of are IKEA (disposable furniture), H&M (disposable clothing) and Ericsson (cell phones which they would love you to dispose of every year). Does anyone know how the Kyoto protocol is affecting the Swedish economy? mo -----Original Message from Teemu Pyyluoma <teme17@xxxxxxxxx>----- But what about Sweden? They have propably the highest percentage of immigrants per capita of the western countries (USA included I think, although I am too lazy to look up the stats,) high taxes, extensive wellfare state and seem on average quite happy to pay their taxes. I remember an online discussion where someone Swedish opined that (a) they get what they pay for (health care, education, etc.,) and (b) Swedish middle classes consider it a choice between providing wellfare for poorer people and being able to walk the streets without the fear of getting mugged and robbed. Nothing altruistic in that account, although it is not quite right. Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html