--- Grice, Way of Words, p. 163. as an example which "would seem to involve nothing but an ordinary use of language by any standard but that of freedom from absurdity." It is "not, so far as I can see, technical, philosophical, figurative, or strained"; it is an example "of the sorts of things which have been said and meant by numbers of actual persons. Yet," it is "open, I think, at least to the suspicion of self-contradictoriness, absurdity, r some other kind of meaninglessness." Cfr. Wittgenstein on finitism and the footnote in Popper's book, to the effect that, in a finitist model of mathematics, Euclid's theorem becomes, rightly, 'meaningless' (Popper's term). ( -- cfr. Discussion by McEvoy, THIS LIST). Indeed, Grice's favourite author (along with Kant -- vide J. Bennett, "In the tradition of Kantotle"), Aristotle may be characterized as a strict finitist. Aristotle especially promoted the potential infinity as a middle option between strict finitism and actual infinity. Note that Aristotle's actual infinity means simply an actualization of something never-ending in nature, when in contrast the Cantorist actual infinity means the transfinite cardinal and ordinal numbers, that have nothing to do with the things in nature. Aristotle writes in Book 3, chapter 6, of "Physics": "But on the other hand to suppose that the infinite does not exist in any way leads obviously to many impossible consequences. There will be a beginning and end of time, a magnitude will not be divisible into magnitudes, number will not be infinite. If, then, in view of the above considerations, neither alternative seems possible, an arbiter must be called in." "Allow me to be him," said Grice. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html