--- On Sun, 2/1/11, David Savory <dsavory@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >I think I have a better understanding of my own objection to Denis' theory: >he's only being a little bit of a scientist.It's all very well to say "Well, >this trait has persevered therefore it confers some survival value" but then >you totally stop being a scientist and you begin telling non-falsifiable >just-so stories.> For those interested there is material on Denis' theory, easily googled, including:- http://boingboing.net/2010/11/23/denis-dutton-a-darwi.html Without referencing the specifics of Dutton's or anyone else's theory (which may or may not rest on the claim) the claim that a trait that has "persevered" or survived "therefore...confers some survival value" itself needs very careful unpacking if it is to amount to more than a non-explanatory or pseudo-explanatory 'tautology', or even something testable but false. The "trait" of committing suicide has "persevered" in the human species, for example, yet in what (Darwinian) sense does it confer some survival value? It is compatible with Darwinism that adaptions/adaptive traits may "persevere" or survive even if they are "poor" from the POV of ensuring survival, at least until they prove so "poor" that they are eliminated - and so dispositions/traits may "persevere" that are more conducive to death than survival. "Poor" adaptions may even outlast seemingly better adaptions, such are the contingencies of evolutionary history. Donal Where the river is not dry yet But it's getting there London ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html