Walter Okshevsky wrote: "... could you provide me with the references to the quotations you cite below?" Certainly. I am using Mary Gregor's translation, which lacks any reference to a standardized pagination so I will give parts and sections. I agree that his political theory is a bit of a mess but this shouldn't be too much of a surprise given the difficulties he had with censors and court officials. Yet, I think it is possible to produce a fairly coherent account of a political theory using what Kant provides. I haven't read the Arendt so I can't comment on what she does, but I am not sure I would start with the Third Critique. Some years ago I sat in on a wonderful lecture by Onora O'Neill on _Conflict_ that left me convinced that this is a text that isn't given its proper due. I would begin with "What is Enlightenment" and _Conflict_ and then draw on the Third Critique. Anyways, here are the quotations with references. "According to reason (that is, objectively), the following order exists among the incentives that the government can use to achieve its end (of influencing the people): first comes the eternal well-being of each ... By public teachings about the first of these [i.e. eternal well-being], the government can exercise very great influence to uncover the inmost thoughts and guide the most secret intentions of its subjects." (First Part, 'On the Relation of the Faculties', First Section, 'The Concept and Division of the Higher Faculties', p31) "To refuse to obey an external and supreme will on the grounds that it allegedly does not conform with reason would be absurd; for the dignity of the government consists precisely in this: that it does not leave its subjects free to judge what is right or wrong according to their own notions, but [determines right and wrong - trans.] for them by precepts of the legislative power." (First Part, First Section, SubSection B, 'The Distinctive Characteristic of the Faculty of Law', p39) "Now we may well comply with a practical teaching out of obedience, but we can never accept it as true simply because we are ordered to. This is not only objectively impossible (a judgment that ought not to be made), but also subjectively quite impossible (a judgment that no one can make). ... So when it is a question of the truth of a certain teaching to be expounded in public, the teacher cannot appeal to a supreme command nor the pupil pretend that he believed it by order. This can happen only when it is a question of action, and even then the pupil must recognize by a free judgment that such a command was really issued and that he is obligated or at least entitled to obey it; otherwise, his acceptance of it would be an empty pretense and a lie. Now the power to judge autonomously - that is, freely (according to principles of thought in general) - is called reason. So the philosophy faculty, because it must answer for the truth of the teachings it is to adopt or even allow, must be conceived as free and subject only to laws given by reason, not by the government." (First Part, Second Section, 'The Concept and Division of the Lower Faculty', p43) Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html