** Mailing-List Indonesia Nasional Milis PPI-India www.ppi-india.da.ru ** http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/4325663.stm Should Kuwait do more for women's rights? Hundreds of protesters in Kuwait have held a women's rights protest outside the country's all-male parliament. The assembly is debating a government request to speed up the passage of a law on women's rights, which was approved by the cabinet last May. But most Islamic groups in Kuwait are against granting women political rights and the parliament has twice defeated similar measures in recent years. Should the Kuwaiti authorities do more to improve women's rights in the country? Do you live in Kuwait and are you involved in the protests? Send us your comments and experiences. The following comments reflect the balance of views received. I was part of the protest and was very impressed at how all the people were there for one reason. It was a great experience to see everyone with one heart, fighting against those religious misinterpereters that give our country a bad image. DJ, Kuwait When interviewed after the defeat of Mr Bush Sr in the presidential elections of 1992, Mrs Thatcher opined that Mr Bush was a great president who had brought freedom and liberty to all Kuwaitis, after the first gulf war. Is it at all possible women still have to fight for their rights in a staunch ally and friend of the free world? Mohansingh, India We can't expect the rest of the world's human rights laws to change at the same pace as our own, that's simply arrogant Simon Graham, London, UK Yes women deserve the vote but let's not forget that less than 100 years ago women didn't have the vote in the UK. We can't expect the rest of the world's human rights laws to change at the same pace as our own, that's simply arrogant. Additionally, let Kuwait's political evolution happen naturally and without Western influence. Otherwise we risk fuelling the extreme Islamic clerics' calls for a jihad against the West. Simon Graham, London, UK Kuwaiti constitution guarantees equal rights to both sexes. That surely means women have the right to vote. But they are prevented by the hardliners under the pretext of Islam. The so-called restrictions imposed on women folk has nothing to do with Islam, but are mostly attached to the tribal code. A little courage and wisdom from the part of authorities can bring about necessary changes in the electoral laws. Hussain Chirathodi, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Mark, USA: Kuwaiti women (and women in all Arab countries) have been struggling for equal rights for several years. This has nothing to do with Bush's ill conceived invasion of Iraq. Jo, USA This is one more victory for President Bush and another defeat for his opponents. The snowball has started rolling down the side of the mountain and is getting bigger and faster. The reactionary forces of political and religious tyranny are being swept away as Arab populations see that there is nothing preventing them from taking control of their own destiny if they only have the will. Mark, USA Kuwait's women are some of the best educated and well travelled anywhere in the Arab world. They deserve nothing less than full political rights and equality with their menfolk. Suhail Shafi, USA Women's rights are inextricably tied to human rights and democracy. Kuwait is an absolute monarchy and the parliament lives at the sufferance of the royal family. Citizenship is based on tribes, not birth. Many a time, in London and elsewhere, women employees of Kuwaiti residents have been rescued from near-slavery. Even if women gain voting rights and the country becomes a constitutional monarchy, the majority of people would have no rights. Thiruvengadam Ramakrishnan, New Orleans, Louisiana Another misconception. Arabic culture and Islam. Muslim and Arab. Although to many all four terms are interchangeable, they are not. The thin line between what Islam requires and what Muslim people do is invisible to the majority of people. There is no where in Islam where it states women must not vote and must be oppressed. I come from an Arab and Muslim country that is only a few hours drive from Kuwait and women are in no way prohibited from any type of vote. Hameeda Alshabib, Bahrain I don't think there will be any kind of change in policy for a few woman with banners Khadeja, Kuwait As an expat Kuwaiti, I feel that a half-hearted 400 woman march won't do very much for the cause of women's rights. There are thousands of women in this country and I don't think there will be any kind of change in policy for a few woman with banners. I passed the march and I didn't feel there was a very big police presence, no more than any other kind of event. The police take security very seriously here with all the terrorist threats and they never harassed the woman in any way. More support is needed for there to be change here. Khadeja, Kuwait Granted, Kuwaiti women deserve the right to vote, however I think a more pressing issue is ensuring the basic human rights to the two million-strong population of working class house aides and manual labourers. Most of these women organising the campaign are in fact wives of liberal wealthy husbands and have nothing better to do with their time. I'm in favour of the voting, I just think the motive is not completely honest. For a fact, they don't even have an official representative or dialogue with the government. Ali, Kuwait City Having lived in Kuwait the single worry that enters my mind concerns how the women will use this vote. In many Kuwaiti families the men have a large amount of power, what would happen is that husbands and fathers would tell their wives or daughters how to vote, thus destroying the political system. TK, St Catherine's, Ontario OK, so Kuwaiti women are getting rights, but what about the majority of the population who are non-Kuwaitis? They are the most vulnerable population in the Persian Gulf states and their rights need more than lip service. Rasha, Doha, Qatar No country can claim to be a civilized, decent society if half of its society remains unemancipated Stephen Cook, New Orleans, USA While Kuwait has one of the best human rights records in the Arab world women still cannot vote or hold office. No country can claim to be a civilized, decent society if half of its society remains unemancipated. Stephen Cook, New Orleans, USA Interesting how women's rights issues in Muslim countries always manage to make the headlines here. I wonder how much they hear about the UK's lack of equal pay (still) and growing domestic violence? C. Kubazdro, UK During my four year stay in Kuwait 10 years ago I found Kuwaiti women to be in much better shape socially than most Islamic countries, including my native Pakistan. Kuwaiti women are educated and outnumber men in university education. The women in Kuwait are very modern while keeping links to their Arab and Islamic roots. Kuwait can become a pioneer in the Arab world for starting democracy and giving women equal political and other human rights. Such a move will break the back of religious extremists in the country. Tahir Ahmed, Mississauga, Canada Women deserve every right given to men. Traditions based on outdated philosophies are a means of social control and dominance of an entire population of females who have as much to offer as any man. Ian Washburn, Bloomington, Indiana USA Kuwait must grant women more rights, including that of the vote Haresh Keswani, Tanzania Having lived in Kuwait for five years, I know that Kuwaiti women are among the most educated and advanced in the Arab world. Kuwait must grant women more rights, including that of the vote. This would benefit Kuwait as a whole in every sphere of socio-economic life. Tunisia can be a role model here amongst Arab countries and if Kuwait does not do this now for whatever reasons, it will need to do so in the near future. The writing is on the wall and Kuwaitis know this. Haresh Keswani, Tanzania The West dropped the ball on this issue when they freed Kuwait from Iraq. We should have insisted on democratisation and equal rights. Apparently, thoughts of flowing oil clouded our view. Dwayne Chastain, West Jefferson, Ohio Living amongst Muslims I understand how the women of Kuwait are feeling, however I very much doubt any drastic changes are going to take place in the near future, because I know Arab culture and in that culture women simply are seen to be less important than men. I think that slowly the situation will change, but it is not something that will happen overnight. In some countries such as Lebanon, women are gaining self-confidence and are becoming more and more 'Western'. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is a matter of opinion. Eid Jadon, Jerusalem, Israel/Palestinian territories One hundred years from Emmeline Pankhurst and Arab suffragettes are fighting for rights which are natural in many corners of the globe for 100 years at least. What are Kuwaiti men are afraid of? Neither tradition nor their rights would be hurt by women's rights. For me - who grew up already equipped with rights - it is far beyond what I can understand. Mary McCannon, Budapest, Hungary Muslim countries' records on human rights abuses are in general atrocious. However with global integration and instant passage of information becoming the norm they are having to change. Women's rights are mandatory for the development of these countries so they had better get used to the fact and reform. Stan, UK We are not speaking here about changing a simple law. We are speaking of a cultural revolution in the Islamic world which will eventually lead to the downfall of tyrannical governments who treat not only women as chattel, but anyone who isn't in the ruling classes. Jasmine, USA The problem here is the 'all male' parliament, who may never agree to give women their rights. All the women in Kuwait must stand together and absolutely refuse to provide any services / support to men who don't support their rights. Get organised and leave your homes, bring your children, and stand together in a public place. 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