[LRflex] Re: Interesting Article On Photographic Moments Missed
- From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:05:28 -0700
Not so new anymore. Had the D7000 for about 19 months now. Love it. Use
less of my Leica glass, but have just bought two more adapters to convert to
Nikon mount to expand my shooting possibilities. So far just the 100 APO
and 35-70 get a lot of use. Less so the 50/2. I will convert my 35/2, and
either my 24/2.8 or 90/2.8.
I did buy a bellows (p6) and have adapted my Schneider 50 Componon-S to
it. Big bellows. Much bigger than the Novoflex I have for my R camera.
Have used it for a few shots of some alyssum and like the results. Those
flowers are pretty darn small,
http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/314267-1/Alyssim-2745.jpg
I only had the bellows racked out about half way because they were getting
in my light. More to experiment on.
Aram
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From: "philippe.amard" <philippe.amard@xxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 12:25 PM
To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [LRflex] Re: Interesting Article On Photographic Moments Missed
>
> Le 19 juin 12 à 21:25, Aram Langhans a écrit :
>
>> The whole idea of not cropping is a bit puzzling to me. The world
>> does not
>> exist in nice fields of view that correspond to a 50mm, 35mm, 28mm,
>> 24mm,
>> 135mm, etc. And just the choice of a lens crops the world to fit that
>> particular field of view.
>
> Aram you zoom user ;-)
>
> BTW how are you enjoying the new gear :-)
>
> Amitiés
> Philippe
>
>
>> The world is doing what the world is doing and if
>> you crop out what is distracting either by focal length choice or post
>> processing, it does not make any difference whatsoever. And I think
>> this
>> would be even more evident in action/news photography where you do
>> not have
>> the time to select a different focal length or vantage point to
>> "crop" the
>> world without cropping the image. If you think it is unethical for a
>> photojournalist to crop out distracting components to isolate a
>> particular
>> event or subject, then perhaps all photojournalists should use fisheye
>> lenses or 360 degree cameras so as not to influence the person
>> looking at
>> the picture as to what they should be seeing.
>>
>> Aram
>>
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>> From: "Richard Ward" <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:54 AM
>> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Interesting Article On Photographic Moments
>> Missed
>>
>>> Hi Herman,
>>> I want to make a small point regarding Nick Ut's historic
>>> photograph of
>>> that young woman. He was shooting with a Rangefinder Leica and the
>>> decision to use that profoundly effects how he goes about his
>>> shooting. So
>>> first of all the viewfinder's framelines aren't a precision
>>> demarcation of
>>> what's in or out of one's shot, so some cropping in the darkroom is
>>> part n
>>> parcel with using a rangefinder.
>>> Second, maybe he had known his lens was wider than needed for 'the
>>> shot'
>>> but made the active decision to shoot the fluid scene before him
>>> rather
>>> than take the time to get a longer lens out, unmount the one on his
>>> camera, mount the longer one, put the wider one away, then work to
>>> document this moment his heart was telling him was important. Dr
>>> Ted iirc
>>> keeps telling us to shoot when the heart tells us and not let the
>>> process
>>> of photography get in the way of reacting.
>>> Finally, does a photographer actively choosing to shoot a scene
>>> with a
>>> shorter lens than what is best, but intending to crop out the
>>> extraneous
>>> content make his final image no longer true or accurate? I have very
>>> recent experience with this, I shot action at a baseball game with a
>>> Ninety Elmarit on my M8 Rangefinder with the intent to crop heavily
>>> into
>>> the resulting files. Does that intent to crop make my resulting
>>> images of
>>> bats breaking and pitches as they left the fingertips no longer
>>> truthful
>>> documents of those moments?
>>>
>>> I want to make clear that I am a big proponent of framing in the
>>> camera,
>>> of moving one's dang feet to get the right framing, of zooming or
>>> changing
>>> lenses to frame right, and of standing higher or kneeling down to
>>> frame
>>> right. However, I don't consider it a religious edict to frame in
>>> camera.
>>> It's not a sin in my eyes to crop in the darkroom - chemical or
>>> digital.
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>> Richard Ward
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>> My Sarcasm Fu Is Strong,
>>> Proceed With Caution. :-)
>>> _____________________________________
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Herman Kempers
>>> <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> �
>>>> Hi Bob (& group)
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is fascinating and sometimes difficult as well. Or as
>>>> difficult
>>>> you can make it yourself.
>>>>
>>>> We teach only documentary and art photography.( No commercial
>>>> photography.) Main focuspoints are the image, not the technique.
>>>>
>>>> So digital manipulation is out of the question ( or discuss what and
>>>> where the border is) when you tell a story, trying to show the
>>>> truth. I
>>>> am aware that the words truth and photography stands for a
>>>> discussion
>>>> that can last forever, but in fact 'the truth' is where it's all
>>>> about in
>>>> documentary or press photography. In commercial or art one makes
>>>> his own
>>>> truth, allthough in commercial photography there are limits for
>>>> sure. And
>>>> discussion about the limits too! .
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> Accepted is roughly what you could do in the darkroom, you can do
>>>> digital
>>>> to your image. (World Press Photo uses about the same standard)
>>>>
>>>> Still plenty of room for discussion.
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> Take for instance the 'Napalm Girl'� by Nick Ut .
>>>>
>>>> Does the uncropped image tells us another story? It sure is less
>>>> dramatic. You see on the right side a photographer changing his
>>>> film,
>>>> giving the impression -or could give the impression- that the
>>>> situation
>>>> is not hectic at all.
>>>>
>>>> So if students thinks the story now is a different one, then what
>>>> about
>>>> framing before you press the shutter. Any photographer can leave
>>>> objects
>>>> or situations outside the frame and direct our view or opinion.
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> Interesting in this case is to look at the work of 2 talented
>>>> students
>>>> who graduated from our Art Academy about 3 years ago; Thijs Groot-
>>>> Wassink
>>>> and Ruben Lundgren. They always work together under te name
>>>> WassinkLundgren.
>>>>
>>>> In their project/book 'Tokyo Tokyo' they approach the subject from 2
>>>> different sides and each releases the shutter at the same moment.
>>>> So you
>>>> have one situation, seen from 2 different angles giving 2 complete
>>>> different images.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.itsnicethat.com/articles/wassinklundgren-tokyo-tokyo
>>>>
>>>> It is all about seeing things. How we look.
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> Back to the framing.
>>>>
>>>> Look at this crop:���
>>>> http://www.photoinduced.com/5363/world-press-disqualifies-winner-what-do-you-think/
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> This crop does not change the story or whatever. But what a bad
>>>> photographer - or at least bad photo - if you have to make such a
>>>> big
>>>> crop to get the image you want. This had,� and easily could,�
>>>> be done by
>>>> framing with the camera. For me this is not accepted. But in
>>>> classrooom
>>>> it is not about me, but for students to find out where they stand
>>>> in this
>>>> matter. It is always an interesting discussion and for sure, many
>>>> times
>>>> the students gave me a different insight in this matter.
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> best regards/Met vriendelijke groet,
>>>>
>>>> Herman Kempers
>>>> De Kringloop 23
>>>> 2614 WJ Delft
>>>>
>>>> 06 424 666 26
>>>>
>>>> www.hermankempers-fotografie.nl
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the link Herman.
>>>> Fascinating. I can only imagine the discussion; from the adamant
>>>> purists
>>>> to
>>>> the creativists, and every flavor in between.
>>>> What do you think? Where did you teach? For how long? Do you have
>>>> a place
>>>> I
>>>> can look at your work?
>>>> Very best and thanks again,
>>>> Bob
>>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Herman Kempers <
>>>> info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> �
>>>>
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