[LRflex] Re: Interesting Article On Photographic Moments Missed
- From: "philippe.amard" <philippe.amard@xxxxxx>
- To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:25:28 +0200
Le 19 juin 12 à 21:25, Aram Langhans a écrit :
> The whole idea of not cropping is a bit puzzling to me. The world
> does not
> exist in nice fields of view that correspond to a 50mm, 35mm, 28mm,
> 24mm,
> 135mm, etc. And just the choice of a lens crops the world to fit that
> particular field of view.
Aram you zoom user ;-)
BTW how are you enjoying the new gear :-)
Amitiés
Philippe
> The world is doing what the world is doing and if
> you crop out what is distracting either by focal length choice or post
> processing, it does not make any difference whatsoever. And I think
> this
> would be even more evident in action/news photography where you do
> not have
> the time to select a different focal length or vantage point to
> "crop" the
> world without cropping the image. If you think it is unethical for a
> photojournalist to crop out distracting components to isolate a
> particular
> event or subject, then perhaps all photojournalists should use fisheye
> lenses or 360 degree cameras so as not to influence the person
> looking at
> the picture as to what they should be seeing.
>
> Aram
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Richard Ward" <ilovaussiesheps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:54 AM
> To: <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [LRflex] Re: Interesting Article On Photographic Moments
> Missed
>
>> Hi Herman,
>> I want to make a small point regarding Nick Ut's historic
>> photograph of
>> that young woman. He was shooting with a Rangefinder Leica and the
>> decision to use that profoundly effects how he goes about his
>> shooting. So
>> first of all the viewfinder's framelines aren't a precision
>> demarcation of
>> what's in or out of one's shot, so some cropping in the darkroom is
>> part n
>> parcel with using a rangefinder.
>> Second, maybe he had known his lens was wider than needed for 'the
>> shot'
>> but made the active decision to shoot the fluid scene before him
>> rather
>> than take the time to get a longer lens out, unmount the one on his
>> camera, mount the longer one, put the wider one away, then work to
>> document this moment his heart was telling him was important. Dr
>> Ted iirc
>> keeps telling us to shoot when the heart tells us and not let the
>> process
>> of photography get in the way of reacting.
>> Finally, does a photographer actively choosing to shoot a scene
>> with a
>> shorter lens than what is best, but intending to crop out the
>> extraneous
>> content make his final image no longer true or accurate? I have very
>> recent experience with this, I shot action at a baseball game with a
>> Ninety Elmarit on my M8 Rangefinder with the intent to crop heavily
>> into
>> the resulting files. Does that intent to crop make my resulting
>> images of
>> bats breaking and pitches as they left the fingertips no longer
>> truthful
>> documents of those moments?
>>
>> I want to make clear that I am a big proponent of framing in the
>> camera,
>> of moving one's dang feet to get the right framing, of zooming or
>> changing
>> lenses to frame right, and of standing higher or kneeling down to
>> frame
>> right. However, I don't consider it a religious edict to frame in
>> camera.
>> It's not a sin in my eyes to crop in the darkroom - chemical or
>> digital.
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Richard Ward
>> _____________________________________
>>
>> My Sarcasm Fu Is Strong,
>> Proceed With Caution. :-)
>> _____________________________________
>>
>> On Jun 19, 2012, at 3:41 AM, Herman Kempers
>> <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> �
>>> Hi Bob (& group)
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> Yes it is fascinating and sometimes difficult as well. Or as
>>> difficult
>>> you can make it yourself.
>>>
>>> We teach only documentary and art photography.( No commercial
>>> photography.) Main focuspoints are the image, not the technique.
>>>
>>> So digital manipulation is out of the question ( or discuss what and
>>> where the border is) when you tell a story, trying to show the
>>> truth. I
>>> am aware that the words truth and photography stands for a
>>> discussion
>>> that can last forever, but in fact 'the truth' is where it's all
>>> about in
>>> documentary or press photography. In commercial or art one makes
>>> his own
>>> truth, allthough in commercial photography there are limits for
>>> sure. And
>>> discussion about the limits too! .
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> Accepted is roughly what you could do in the darkroom, you can do
>>> digital
>>> to your image. (World Press Photo uses about the same standard)
>>>
>>> Still plenty of room for discussion.
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> Take for instance the 'Napalm Girl'� by Nick Ut .
>>>
>>> Does the uncropped image tells us another story? It sure is less
>>> dramatic. You see on the right side a photographer changing his
>>> film,
>>> giving the impression -or could give the impression- that the
>>> situation
>>> is not hectic at all.
>>>
>>> So if students thinks the story now is a different one, then what
>>> about
>>> framing before you press the shutter. Any photographer can leave
>>> objects
>>> or situations outside the frame and direct our view or opinion.
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> Interesting in this case is to look at the work of 2 talented
>>> students
>>> who graduated from our Art Academy about 3 years ago; Thijs Groot-
>>> Wassink
>>> and Ruben Lundgren. They always work together under te name
>>> WassinkLundgren.
>>>
>>> In their project/book 'Tokyo Tokyo' they approach the subject from 2
>>> different sides and each releases the shutter at the same moment.
>>> So you
>>> have one situation, seen from 2 different angles giving 2 complete
>>> different images.
>>>
>>> http://www.itsnicethat.com/articles/wassinklundgren-tokyo-tokyo
>>>
>>> It is all about seeing things. How we look.
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> Back to the framing.
>>>
>>> Look at this crop:���
>>> http://www.photoinduced.com/5363/world-press-disqualifies-winner-what-do-you-think/
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> This crop does not change the story or whatever. But what a bad
>>> photographer - or at least bad photo - if you have to make such a
>>> big
>>> crop to get the image you want. This had,� and easily could,�
>>> be done by
>>> framing with the camera. For me this is not accepted. But in
>>> classrooom
>>> it is not about me, but for students to find out where they stand
>>> in this
>>> matter. It is always an interesting discussion and for sure, many
>>> times
>>> the students gave me a different insight in this matter.
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> best regards/Met vriendelijke groet,
>>>
>>> Herman Kempers
>>> De Kringloop 23
>>> 2614 WJ Delft
>>>
>>> 06 424 666 26
>>>
>>> www.hermankempers-fotografie.nl
>>>
>>> �
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link Herman.
>>> Fascinating. I can only imagine the discussion; from the adamant
>>> purists
>>> to
>>> the creativists, and every flavor in between.
>>> What do you think? Where did you teach? For how long? Do you have
>>> a place
>>> I
>>> can look at your work?
>>> Very best and thanks again,
>>> Bob
>>> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Herman Kempers <
>>> info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> �
>>>
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