Doug Herr Wrote: ""Less chromatic abberation" they gladly proclaimed, also "the Nikon extenders aren't all shyte, it must be several bad samples". Oh please." Can I get an Amen on that one! I firmly and wholeheartedly believe that Canon & Nikon et al are reaping the benefits of what could (uncharitably) be described as "Cons" against their customers. a) The almost biblical torrent of Cheap Zoom Lenses which swept away Beginning Photographers experiencing good basic prime lenses from the start. b) The engineers need for autofocus lenses and cameras to be imprecise - absent high price points for the systems and materials to mitigate that problem, not remove it - just mitigate it. c) The price points for Canon's "L" series Lenses are stunning, I presume for Nikon's 'Pro' lenses the same is true, and I know for a fact Sony charges a Mint for their premium AF Zeiss Line. Selling lens which don't play in 'Leica-Land' at those prices ain't cool. Just ain't cool. e) The manufacturers, writ large, then benefit from consumers who start out with imprecise cameras and lenses, who graduate to 'less bad' cameras and lenses, and peak out into the 'top drawer' equipment which only look great benchmarked against what they've used before, not by measuring against either what is possible or what has actually been made that's actually better. It's analogous to the Big Fish/Small Pond argument. Big Bad Butt Kicking Trout Guy might rule the stretch o' the stream he's hanging out in, but throw him out in the big bad pacific ocean and he's just marking time til he's shark shyte. Oops! f) There is a flippin reason Zeiss is making some nice coin selling NEW 'manual focus' prime lenses for Nikon, Canon, et al - and NOT at down market prices either. The OEM's aren't pushing them aside. As some of you know I'm on the Cusp of making substantial $$$ purchases in the photographic equipment market and to be perfectly honest I don't like my options much. There are stunning technologies and cameras on the one hand but none have stunning lenses with the qualities I value absent jumping though lens adapter hoops. I don't dismiss the OEM top drawer optics as valueless by any means, but they are a high high price to pay to NOT beat my Elmarit Ninety even 'handicapping' the 90 by using it 'wide open'. Sigh. Richard in Michigan ------ Unsubscribe or change to/from Digest Mode at: http://www.lrflex.furnfeather.net/ Archives are at: //www.freelists.org/archives/leicareflex/