David without question there are two (2) photographs here with and without cropping! That's why I believe never mind telling people what you did with the image pre-posting to list! You should always pick "your way" and not listen to a collection of committee members adding there 2 cents worth. Which in most cases only creates confusion on the photographers' selection of "HOW HE OR SHE LIKES THE PHOTO IN THE FIRST PLACE!" After all it's your work not the collective opinions of others. Quite frankly if one were to listen to everyone giving their 2 pennies worth in the long run you could very easily throw your hands up and quit! It's your shot and in many cases others only create a complete bundle of confusion when it's a gang bang of concepts in their minds! What we have are two very well cropped images, both story telling.. The whole scene, clown and all which I find from a rodeo view point very interesting as it illustrates the safety factor of the clown ready to jump to the rescue! Which still includes the action of bull and rider very clearly with the "wild wild West action!" Then with some judicious cropping you go tighter and come away with a dynamite "Full blown award winning action photo of bull flying high!" Man you can't lose with this one exposure! That's my two pennies worth, whether it means anything any more than an others. It's your photograph! You do with it what you feel best and to hell with everybody else! Jeeeesh if I asked for the opinions of others during the past 50 plus years as a professional how they liked the photo, I'd not be here now. Probably pushing up dandelions still trying to sort out their opinions! :-) ted -----Original Message----- From: leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:leica-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Young Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:41 AM To: leica@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: A whole lot of Bull ... Part II. OK... in response to a steadily diminishing number of requests, I herewith show two different crops of the Bull ride. For comparisons, the original crop is here... http://www.furnfeather.net/Temps/Ride.htm The crop suggested by many, including Bob Adler and Ted, is here: http://www.furnfeather.net/Temps/Ride_crop.htm and, for variety, a larger image (but still somewhat cropped) in a horizontal format, is here: http://www.furnfeather.net/Temps/Ride_hor-crop.htm This last one is very similar to the full frame. So, which crop is preferable? Anyone? Everyone? Your input will be appreciated. Cheers! --- David Young, Logan Lake, CANADA