[kismac] Re: Darwin Update in 10.2.6
- From: Galen <blueandwhiteg3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: kismac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:53:42 -0700
Yes, I completely agree. I hate those precautionary measures that
cannot reasonably be bypassed (if I recall, the whole point of this
modified kernel is to get past one of those almost un-bypassable
"precautionary" measures Apple put in). I think just a tiny twist like
holding down a certain key will make it much harder for people to
accidently whack out their systems. I'm hoping this feature will make
it into 0.05...
Galen
On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 08:46 PM, N. Karras wrote:
>
> As long as there is a way to force it. I hate it when "precautionary =
> measures" are taken so far as to be absolute (at least as far as that =
> specific program is concerned)...
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: "Galen" <blueandwhiteg3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <kismac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:38 PM
> Subject: [kismac] Re: Darwin Update in 10.2.6
>
>
>> =20
>> Yes, I am able to build and exchange my own and read the note about=20
>> 10.2.5 and all, but I'm considering other people. I know quite a
>> few=20
>> people that have, despite the scary messages about the kernel swap=20
>> being "suicidal" among other things, do it anyway, mess up their=20
>> system, re-install OS X and repeat 2-3x. I'm a computer consultant=20
>> doing lots of Mac stuff (as well as web design) and see all these=20
>> users. I know they're being stupid and it's at their own risk and
>> all, =
>
>> but it wouldn't be hard to refuse to exchange the kernel unless the=20
>> kernel versions match and require the option key or something else
>> to=20
>> be pressed in order to force it to exchange regardless of the
>> kernel=20
>> version. Just anything so the user can't possibly not read a
>> message=20
>> that explains (in brief) how dangerous switching kernel versions
>> is.=20
>> This message could either be in the form of a readme or a dialog box.
>> =
> I=20
>> am assuming that you are trying to develop a mature program that is=20
>> relatively usable for the masses and I think this would be very=20
>> helpful. And it really wouldn't take much code or effort, either.
>> =20
>> Galen
>> =20
>> On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 02:15 PM, N. Karras wrote:
>> =20
>>>
>>> Who suggested going back a version?
>>>
>>> You are not understanding. The KisMAC program tells what version =
> the =3D
>>> modified kernel is designed for. If you do not know without =
> checking =3D
>>> every time, what version of Mac OS you are running, maybe you=20
>>> shouldn't =3D
>>> be using a utility such as this. And if you knowingly exchange the =
> =3D
>>> kernel for a previous version, that's your problem. Maybe you =
> should =3D
>>> consider exchanging your own.
>>>
>>>
>>> NPK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----=3D20
>>> From: "Galen" <blueandwhiteg3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <kismac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:16 AM
>>> Subject: [kismac] Re: Darwin Update in 10.2.6
>>>
>>>
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Well, if I'm not mistaken, Apple updates Darwin for a reason. A lot
>>>> =
>
>>>> of =3D
>>>
>>>> people started having kernel panic issues with Darwin 6.5 (USB=3D20
>>>> related), many of which were supposed to have been solved with =
> the=3D20
>>>> latest system update (and Darwin 6.6), and going back a version
>>>> on=20
>>>> the =3D
>>>
>>>> kernel might not always be a good idea, even if it generally works.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Would you consider a checking mechanism for KisMAC to prevent=3D20
>>>> installing the wrong kernel (causing problems - I know multiple=20
>>>> people =3D
>>>
>>>> who've whacked out their OS X install by doing this)? And it=20
>>>> wouldn't=3D20
>>>> hurt if you kept the kernel build up to date with the latest=20
>>>> Darwin... =3D
>>>
>>>> custom building my kernel isn't nearly as easy as clicking=20
>>>> "exchange=3D20
>>>> kernel" in KisMAC.
>>>> =3D20
>>>> Galen
>>>> =3D20
>>>> =3D20
>>>> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 04:44 AM, Michael Rossberg wrote:
>>>> =3D20
>>>>> hey,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last time I upgraded from 10.2.4 to 10.2.5 and tried the swap =3D
>>> kernel
>>>>>> function of KisMAC, I got bitten hard by a bug - they updated =3D
>>> Darwin
>>>>>> and KisMAC didn't know about it. I had to re-install OS X. Darwin
>>>>>> =
> =3D
>>> went
>>>>>> from 6.3 to 6.5. Now, with the release of 10.2.6, Darwin has been
>>>>>> updated to 6.6. I'd rather not test this on my system, but =
> does=3D20
>>>>>> anybody
>>>>>> know if KisMAC has been updated with the latest kernel? Also, =
> have =3D
>>> you
>>>>>> ever thought about having KisMAC check the kernel version =
> *before*
>>>>>> swapping it to avoid installing an older or newer version and =3D
>>> creating
>>>>>> all kinds of issues?
>>>>>
>>>>> i did not think about it, because usually this is working. the =
> jump
>>>>> from .5 to .6 causes no problems. the same with .3 and .4, but =
> they
>>>>> must have changed some critical in .5, which caused the problems. =
> i
>>>>> added a warning, but i do not want to tell the people what they =
> =3D
>>> shall
>>>>> do.... because sometimes it makes sense to exchange a newer kernel
>>>>>
>>>>> mick
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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