Hello Daniel. You have the table visualized correctly. Jaws for Windows has table navigation keys and if you use the table navigation keys. You could move from sell to sell and Jaws should report Monday 70 degrees. Assuming Monday was in the first row and 70 degrees is in the row that you are moving across. The table navigation keys are listed below. Keystrokes for Working in Tables Keystrokes for Working in Tables JAWS now supports standard commands for working in tables. These commands work in most popular applications, allowing you access right away - without having to learn the application specific commands. As you become more familiar with new applications, you may find it easier to use the commands specific to that program, or it might be easier for you to continue using these commands. Commands for Moving within Tables These commands move focus to the indicated cell and speak the contents. Cell and row coordinates as well as column and/or row heading information may also be provided. Summary: Commands for moving within tables. Table with 2 columns and 12 rows Description Command Say Current Cell ALT+CTRL+NUM PAD 5 Cell to Right ALT+CTRL+RIGHT ARROW Cell to Left ALT+CTRL+LEFT ARROW Cell Below ALT+CTRL+DOWN ARROW Cell Above ALT+CTRL+UP ARROW First Cell ALT+CTRL+HOME Last Cell ALT+CTRL+END First Cell in Column ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+UP ARROW Last Cell in Column ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+DOWN ARROW First Cell in Row ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+LEFT ARROW Last Cell in Row ALT+CTRL+SHIFT+RIGHT ARROW table end Table Reading Commands Summary: Table Reading Commands Table with 2 columns and 8 rows Description Command Say Current Cell ALT+CTRL+NUM PAD 5 Read Current Row INSERT+SHIFT+UP ARROW Read from Start of Row INSERT+SHIFT+HOME Read to End of Row INSERT+SHIFT+PAGE UP Read Current Column INSERT+SHIFT+NUM PAD 5 Read from Top of Column INSERT+SHIFT+END Read to Bottom of Column INSERT+SHIFT+PAGE DOWN table end You can find all of this and more in the Jaws helped. I hope this helps. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:03 PM To: JFW List Subject: understanding tables with Jaws I think this is a basic issue that I've just never understood. when I'm on a Web page, let's take a weather page of an online newspaper for example, take the 5-day forecast feature of the Los Angeles times weather page. For anyone interested, the home page is www.latimes.com, and then from that page click on either Forecast or Weather, which both lead to the weather page. Okay. So I click on a this page link for the 5-day forecast. I'm taken down the page to the title 5-day forecast, and when I arrow down, Jaws announces that I'm entering a table. Now, this is a fairly simple table, which is why I can handle it in my simple way, though I'd like to know if there's a better approach. First, Jaws presents a list of the names of the days. I suppose they're what I'd see across the top of the table, if I could see this and Jaws hadn't rearranged it. Then, and I assume these cells are presented from left to right across the "real" web page so that they line up under the days they pertain to, comes a list of the expected sky conditions: Partly cloudy, sunny, etc. Finally, I assume also in a line from left to right beneath this, comes a sequence of expected high and low temperatures for each day. 72/54, 69/53, and so forth. Well, with this table, as with any I encounter on a Web page with Jaws (I just don't happen to have encountered tables or created any in Word), my method of gleaning information from them is to visualize the table as it must look in actuality, and memorize which things on the X axis must correspond with which things on the Y axis, or however I imagine the table is laid out. Unconsciously, I'm counting, in the sense that if Friday is the third day in the list of days, then the third sky condition descriptor or set of high and low temperatures must belong to Frieday. Sometimes, as with this weather forecast feature, it's not too difficult to do. But in tables that are any more complex than this, it's sometimes mind-boggling difficult for me. Am I doing the only thing a Jaws user can do (minus the visualization for those who don't have a graphical image to refer to) but always with the memorization and painstaking correlation? Or am I misunderstanding how you're supposed to "view" a table under Jaws? Thanks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. 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