Well in some cases saying it is a problem with a program is not passing the buck it is the truth. When you code to fix other peoples bugs you can create a lot of bugs of your own. One more thing they need to do. A support person should be assigned to these lists at all times to answer questions. When I use to use window bridge from synthavoice computers the late david k the president of the company monitored the list him self and responded to most posts. Also they always e-mailed anousments to users and the list. Fs needs to bring back toll free support to it users. Sma need to be eliminated except for full version upgrades. For example 5 to 6 should be a upgrade all other things should be a update. Also a member of the scripting needs to monitor these lists to give advice to users who are scripting programs for jaws. Jill before she left synthavoice used to create most of the configuration for bridge and david would forward all related configuration issues to her for input. I am not flaming jfw or saying it should be come more like bridge or any thing like what I am saying is that I miss that level of support that I got from synthavoice and we sure are not getting from freedom. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 4:02 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: jaws 5.1 Here's what it comes down to. FS shouldn't be comparing themselves with mainstream software in terms of customer support. If they did, they'd fail miserably. Just about every piece of software I own, the company will send an e-mail to *my* e-mail box telling me that a new version is available, often branded with my name, even though it's just a form letter. But what FS should be doing is listening: What is the competition getting raves about? How often are the complaints to FS about just the opposite? What can we then do to not only catch up, but move ahead of the competition. Another thing FS needs to do is to take ownership of its problems. They're extremely good at saying, It's the web designer's fault, or it's this or that application's fault. But they need to have a strict policy in place which says, in effect Here's the problem, the onus is on *US* to fix it, whether that web or software designer even cares or not. Where possible, they should of course work with the designer, but where it's not possible, then it's FS's responsibility to do everything in its power to fix the problem instead of passing the buck, as they are all too often wont to do. In my opinion, the competition has the inferior product. But, and this is a big but, they demonstrate more of an attitude like the one I've outlined than FS does, and because of that, if FS doesn't recognize the wakeup call, if FS doesn't recognize that maintaining the satisfaction of existing users is every bit as important in the short term, more important in the long term, than attracting new customers, then the competition will surpass JAWS. I paid for JAWS out of my own pocket. I've paid for my SMA's, everything, out of my own pocket. I have an investment to protect. Far from slamming JAWS, I love the program, I believe in it, I actually care that a huge part of my savings has gone to its purchase, and I want what's best for it. End of rant. Bruce -- Bruce Toews E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: coke_drinker@xxxxxxxx Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net For the best oldies anywhere visit http://www.treasureislandoldies.com -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx