by now you no its an eloquence bug. its also possible for eloquence and a certain application to crash, so why not 2 software engines. in addition the extra steps required for access 32 to work, one might thingk f s would just include access 32 as a second option for all and make it part of jfw. not saying access is saintly or that i prefer it, only saying 2 software engines gives one options when a rare bug occurs. bill -- To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather contact the list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx