May I make one refinement to this suggestion, which is basically the answer to the mysterious problem? And that is that you don't have to be in the list view of your Outlook Express messages to find this setting on your View menu, for that's where it is. You can also be on the left side pane of the screen, in your Outlook Express folders tree view. In either case, you open the View menu by pressing alt V, make sure you're on the Current View option, then right arrow or hit Enter to open the submenu that you hear is there (the "dot dot dot"(). Now arrow down (or up, doesn't matter as you can just cycle around in this menu) until you come to the option Group Messages. As the man says, if it's checked, just hit Enter to uncheck it, and that will close the menu and take care of the whole thing, and you won't be mystified by all that stuff any more. Again, you don't have to be in just the files list view of your Inbox messages or any other folder's messages. You can be in the folders list. But note that you can't do this when you have a message open. In this case, the View menu changes its options and the current view option isn't available. From: "G.W. Cox" <gwcox2@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: Re: collapsed expanded? You have messages grouped by conversation. To change it, in the list view, hit alt V for view. Then enter on current view, arrow till you hear group by conversation. If it is checked and if you don't want it, hit enter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rich hamel" <rcham27@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: Re: collapsed expanded? I have more questions regarding the "collapsed/expanded" announcements. Why does it occur? What does it mean? If I go to the "view menu while I am on a message with either the collapsed or expanded announcement, then, JAWS will be able to use the expanded or collapsed option in that menu. Normally, both of these options are "not available". If my message is "collapsed, and I go to the menu bar under "view and enter on the available option, then JAWS change the message to the opposite option. For example, if the message is "collapsed it gets changed to expanded. Also, on these messages, when I open the message to read, I get a prompt in the JAWS voice to "use the reading keys". Thanks for any help and how to use this feature. Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricque" <ricque@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: collapsed expanded? > Hi Rich, > These are graphics, so, > if you don't want to ever hear this again, do the following: > 1Open Outlook Express. > 2. Highlight a message that says the annoying collapsed, or expanded > 3. Route Jaws to PC, and place the cursor on the expanded, or > collapsed > graphic. > 4. Now, press insert G to open the graphics labeler. > 5. Use the say line command, to make sure what is selected, > if it the offending word, then press the delete key. > 6. Now tab until Jaws says save to application file, here you can use > the > arrow keys to select, save to application file, save to default file, > or > both. > 7. Tab to the okay button, and press enter to save your changes. > You are finished. > HTH, > Ricque > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rich hamel" <rcham27@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "JFW" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 2:51 PM > Subject: collapsed expanded? > > > I have Windows X P and JAWS 6.0. > Recently, I have been getting either a "collapsed" or "expanded" > announcement before JAWS reads my subject line in my Outlook Express. > It only happens with a few messages and I'm not sure why it occurs > with > certain messages. > > It's very annoying. Does anyone know how I can get rid of this > announcement? > > > Thank you. > > Rich > > -- > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > line. > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, > or > the > way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. Rather > contact > the > list owner at jfw-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > -- > To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to > jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject > line. > Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw > > If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, > or > the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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