Jim, I believe you. But there was something about the way I misunderstood how to handle moving around this tree, which in my impression of it wasn't like a familiar tree structure and keystroke sequence in Windows Explorer, for instance, that confused me really badly. I *heard* Jaws say that certain items were open, just as I'd have heard in a tree structure, but in some way I didn't *really* hear it or believe it, and missed the clue. Why, I have no idea. If that's impossible to imagine, I don't blame you from how simple and fairly obvious you say it actually is. But I don't know how to account for the confusing impression I had of that menu, either. I'm just glad I WAS ABLE TO MANAGE THAT ONE issue. Again, I don't know what to say, and if it seems I misread your instructions or Rick's until the very end, I don't know why. Honest. But now that I've got that problem hammered, I'll go back to the menus and play around with them some more at my leisure and try to figure out which ones work in that same way. So thanks again. It wasn't your fault at all, I can pretty well assure you. I just missed something, somewhere. And I'm relieved to have finally made my move to AVG 8 so I can stop worrying about the whole thing. From: "jim grimsby Jr." <jimgrims@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: RE: avg 8.0 free It is not a menu dude. It is a tree view. Follow the directions step by step as I posted them you will have no problems. I have done this on three computers just to make sure so far have had no problems what so ever following my own directions. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:05 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: avg 8.0 free P.S. top make it even stranger, not only does that menu seem to change every time I go back to it, but it changes depending on whether I try to move through it with the Tab key or the arrow keys. And once I tried pressing Enter on one line having to do with email scanning, but that just got me a blank screen or something. Another time, I arrowed, and heard something that was in an entirely different category. It's as if Jaws has no focus at all. I'm not sure I'm describing this accurately enough to provide a believable and understandable picture of the strange experience this menu is for me. But it's weird. Seriously. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: avg 8.0 free It's very simple. Goto tools menu and down to advanced settings press enter. then in the tree arrow down to email scanning. Tab to the certification boxes and uncheck them Tab to ok and press enter. No jaws cursor is necessary at all. Rick Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: avg 8.0 free And how do you access the tools/advanced settings/appearance submenu in order to turn off the certification notice and do whatever is necessary to stop emails you receive from showing an attachments symbol when they have no actual attachments? I somehow managed to stop this behavior in AVG's 7.5, but now it's returned in version 8 and, unlike in 7.5, I can't figure out how to stop it happening. The submenu that I think might be critical to this effort has to be approached by using the Jaws cursor to even be blimpsed, and even then it's not easy (okay, for me impossible) to to figure out how to check or uncheck whatever in order to clean up this very annoying problem. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: avg 8.0 free Hi Owen, Yes it's working well for me here with jaws 9.0.2169. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Palamountain" <owen.p@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: RE: avg 8.0 free Hi Rick, Does AVG free version 8.0 now work ok with the lateist Jaws update? Kind regards Owen Palamountain Email Address: owen.p@xxxxxxxxxx Skype: owen6510820 Mobile: +64 21 390 750 -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Harmon Sent: Sunday, 25 May 2008 9:59 a.m. To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: avg 8.0 free http://free.grisoft.com/download-file-ins-afe -- Visit my webpage and podcast feed at: http://www.blind-geek-zone.net and my web Blog at: http://blind-geek-zone.blogspot.com/ Join the BGZ mailing list by sending a blank email message to: blindgeekzone-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and reply to the confirmation msg. 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