There is a definite sound when one hits the enter key and goes to a new web page, at least on my computer this happens. I think Dave explained the reasons why all the confusion about buttons very well as I'm sure you have seen his message by now. As I said, in my reply, I just hit the enter key on a button that took me to a new web page which was a confirmation page so these buttons do in fact work differently depending on which web site you are on. I will try your suggestions next time I run into this to satisfy my own curiosity because it stumps me as to how the info requested just turns up on the page so I will look at the URL next time. Thanks Barbara -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:22 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons Barbara, I'm sorry but I don't know the best logical thing to say. I think I mentioned that I don't recall a control labeled as a button ever being a link that was supposed to take me to a different Web page or, I don't think, even open one in a new window. When you have that text you were trying to get, you might tab around looking for a button that says Close, and then see if clicking on that returns you to the original page. . Also, if you know the URL in the address bar where you start, then checking it again after you press this control to see if it's changed would be one way to know if you've been taken to a different web page. Of course, the regular way wouldn't be just to listen for some sound effect, or at least I don't get it when you say you've lost some sound effect that used to tell you a new Web page was loading. What I *do* hear is Internet Explorer announcing its destination and its progress somewhere on the page, I think on the status line, which you can deliberately make speak with insert down arrow. I didn't mean to further confuse you, but I honestly didn't see how pressing a button would have taken someone to a new Web page in the first place, unless Jaws also said "link" as it identified the button. As I said before, the first thing I would do is activate that button to get the text (the "information's you're talking about) appear, and then explore all over that page to see if in fact you're still on the very same web page, but some extra material has appeared in that location on it because of your having pressed the button. Now don't let this discourage you from being curious to find out what's actually happening, so you're not permanently mystified, but I'm partially sighted in such a way that, although I can't read what a Web page says or locate its links and controls without Jaws to guide me, I can see when a web page changes to a new one. Even though all I can make out is light and dark on the screen, this is very obvious for me visually. But I rely primarily on jaws, after all, and honestly, it always speaks what I described about the new URL it's going to and the progress of the new page's opening. So I'm mystified in my own way about why you're mystified. Sorry if none of this is much help. Hope I've explained what I am able to clearly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bjones" <shawnee@xxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: RE: Clicking on buttons Hmmm Interesting point but how does one know when one time I enter on a button and it takes me to another web page and another, as in this case the text appears below? I did not explore further as I was so surprised to see this happen. It was the info I needed so I looked at it, found what I wanted and was done. Never thought to explore the page further. If things don't act the same across the board with a button working one way one time and another the next it would be hard for me to know what to expect. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Yardbird Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:47 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons Just a thought in response to the overall problem. Barbara reported that she was surprised to find that "the information" had appeared beneath the button she'd been trying to activate. Could it be that the button wasn't the equivalent of a link that was supposed to open a new Web page, but just a control to cause a certain body of text to be displayed? Sort of a different version of the on-mouse-over idea? I wonder if Barbara explored beyond that new "information" she said she'd found had appeared. Was the rest of the page the same as before, except for the appearance of this text? Just curious. I wouldn't ordinarily expect a button to take me to another Web page, in the first place, although maybe I just haven't come across such things. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal French" <raincrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons Barbara, You might want to check your sound settings. I'm not sure why, but once in awhile I will notice a loss of a particular sound. When I check on it, it will show the sound effect is gone in the settings. Crystal -- JFW related links: JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing list: http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com JFW List instructions: To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. Archives located at: //www.freelists.org/archives/jfw If you have any concerns about the list, post received from the list, or the way the list is being run, do not post them to the list. 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