Re: Yardbird-Clicking on buttons
- From: "dave-d0619" <dave-d0619@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 06:28:00 -0400
Hello Barbra:
I have used a couple of sites where I pressed a button called, for example,
go to shopping cart, and a new page opened.
In these cases, the buttons behaved in the same way as if they were coded in
the web language as links.
The permutations on how a web site functions and looks are infinite.
As I said before, it is all in the mind of the designer ore designers, as to
how a web site looks and functions.
When Freedom Scientific called one of their tutorials "the Internet
Challenge", they were not so very far from the truth, were they.
Sincerely:
Dave Durber
----- Original Message -----
From: "bjones" <shawnee@xxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Yardbird-Clicking on buttons
> I'm okay with all of this now that I understand a bit better. Little by
> little we all learn as we go and with the help of others life sometimes
gets
> a bit easier in our journey.
> So I'm content with Dave's explanation and will keep a better eye on what
is
> going on on the pages as I use the Internet. I'm sure if another issue
> arises with one of these buttons I'll be back for more advice from the
list.
> I would share the web sites with you if they did not hold personal info so
> you could see for yourself how differently buttons worked on two different
> sites. I will keep you in mind the next time I encounter this issue so
you
> can satisfy your own curiosity about it also.
> Thanks
> Barbara
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:29 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Yardbird-Clicking on buttons
>
>
> Hi Barbara,
>
> Just to clarify a couple of things. first of all, my partial sightedness
> isn't that important in this discussion, because I'm an experienced Jaws
> user who needn't look at my monitor necessarily for any practical purpose,
> though I appreciate being able to see what little I can. But I wasn't
basing
>
> my conjectures on this, just saying that I can tell visually when the
screen
>
> is changing in a major way, like when you load a new Web page. But this is
> just a way of emphasizing that I'm not guessing at times like that.
>
> As for your puzzlement over a sound effect going missing, I have to report
> that I've just been Web surfing a lot this afternoon doing research with a
> variety of Web resources and archived news articles, so I've been changing
> Web pages quite a lot. And now that I'm listening for it, I hear the sound
> effect that must be what you're referring to, a click or series of clicks.
> The reason I am not usually aware of it is because when I click on a link
> (not a button, of course) to go to a new Web page, Jaws invariably starts
> speaking the link label and then begins reading the new page, after
> announcing how many frames and links it has and whether or not it's got
RSS
> feeds. That's a lot of chatter beneath which I had to pay closer attention
> and realize I was hearing that clicking. I can't remember many instances
> where I was going for a new Web page and everything was silent except for
> that clicking. Maybe it's just the types of Web pages I tend to go to? I
> don't know.
>
> Even a link on a page that offers more information about something usually
> involves Jaws telling me that I've launched a new Web page when I click on
> that kind of control, and then I have to exit the page or click on a close
> button when I want to get back to where I started.
>
> But this button quandary of yours just doesn't resemble many experiences I
> can remember having. I'd say you're right to at least poke around a little
> to figure out what's actually going on there, and otherwise just accept
Dave
>
> D.'s very reasonable explanation with a resigned shrug. Page designs may
> differ, and so may the way their buttons work. Hope you can figure out
what
> happened and enhance your Web surfing orientation just the bit that this
> would allow. I'm curious to see what you discover about what that button
> actually, did, as it doesn't sounds as if it was opening another Web page
> for you, and maybe your missing the clicking sound is nothing more than
> confirmation of that?
>
> Good luck.
> From: "bjones" <shawnee@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Yardbird-Clicking on buttons
>
>
> There is a definite sound when one hits the enter key and goes to a new
web
> page, at least on my computer this happens. I think Dave explained the
> reasons why all the confusion about buttons very well as I'm sure you have
> seen his message by now. As I said, in my reply, I just hit the enter key
> on a button that took me to a new web page which was a confirmation page
so
> these buttons do in fact work differently depending on which web site you
> are on. I will try your suggestions next time I run into this to satisfy
my
> own curiosity because it stumps me as to how the info requested just turns
> up on the page so I will look at the URL next time. Thanks Barbara
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:22 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons
>
>
> Barbara,
> I'm sorry but I don't know the best logical thing to say. I think I
> mentioned that I don't recall a control labeled as a button ever being a
> link that was supposed to take me to a different Web page or, I don't
think,
>
> even open one in a new window. When you have that text you were trying to
> get, you might tab around looking for a button that says Close, and then
see
>
> if clicking on that returns you to the original page.
>
> . Also, if you know the URL in the address bar where you start, then
> checking it again after you press this control to see if it's changed
would
>
> be one way to know if you've been taken to a different web page.
>
> Of course, the regular way wouldn't be just to listen for some sound
effect,
>
> or at least I don't get it when you say you've lost some sound effect that
> used to tell you a new Web page was loading. What I *do* hear is Internet
> Explorer announcing its destination and its progress somewhere on the
page,
> I think on the status line, which you can deliberately make speak with
> insert down arrow.
>
> I didn't mean to further confuse you, but I honestly didn't see how
pressing
>
> a button would have taken someone to a new Web page in the first place,
> unless Jaws also said "link" as it identified the button. As I said
before,
> the first thing I would do is activate that button to get the text (the
> "information's you're talking about) appear, and then explore all over
that
> page to see if in fact you're still on the very same web page, but some
> extra material has appeared in that location on it because of your having
> pressed the button.
>
> Now don't let this discourage you from being curious to find out what's
> actually happening, so you're not permanently mystified, but I'm partially
> sighted in such a way that, although I can't read what a Web page says or
> locate its links and controls without Jaws to guide me, I can see when a
web
>
> page changes to a new one. Even though all I can make out is light and
dark
> on the screen, this is very obvious for me visually. But I rely primarily
on
>
> jaws, after all, and honestly, it always speaks what I described about the
> new URL it's going to and the progress of the new page's opening. So I'm
> mystified in my own way about why you're mystified.
>
> Sorry if none of this is much help. Hope I've explained what I am able to
> clearly.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bjones" <shawnee@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:46 PM
> Subject: RE: Clicking on buttons
>
>
> Hmmm Interesting point but how does one know when one time I enter on a
> button and it takes me to another web page and another, as in this case
the
> text appears below? I did not explore further as I was so surprised to
see
> this happen. It was the info I needed so I looked at it, found what I
> wanted and was done. Never thought to explore the page further. If
things
> don't act the same across the board with a button working one way one time
> and another the next it would be hard for me to know what to expect.
Barbara
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Yardbird
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:47 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons
>
>
> Just a thought in response to the overall problem. Barbara reported that
she
>
> was surprised to find that "the information" had appeared beneath the
> button she'd been trying to activate.
>
> Could it be that the button wasn't the equivalent of a link that was
> supposed to open a new Web page, but just a control to cause a certain
body
> of text to be displayed? Sort of a different version of the on-mouse-over
> idea? I wonder if Barbara explored beyond that new "information" she said
> she'd found had appeared. Was the rest of the page the same as before,
> except for the appearance of this text?
>
> Just curious. I wouldn't ordinarily expect a button to take me to another
> Web page, in the first place, although maybe I just haven't come across
such
>
> things.
>
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Crystal French" <raincrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 11:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Clicking on buttons
>
>
> Barbara,
> You might want to check your sound settings.
>
> I'm not sure why, but once in awhile I will notice a loss of a particular
> sound.
>
> When I check on it, it will show the sound effect is gone in the settings.
>
> Crystal
>
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