Re: JAWS training.
- From: mostafa almahdy <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:56:24 +0200
perhaps you're right.
but I shall give that a try.
concerning purchasing JAWS to be an educational tool is expensive; yes.
but the blind teacher may use it to teach his sighted students; it
doesn't necessarily the case I mentioned earlier.
On 4/13/10, Adrian Spratt <Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Two thoughts.
>
> First, buying JAWS in order to learn a language would be a very expensive
> way to go.
>
> Second, perhaps one way you, Mostafa, could get at your survey question is
> to ask how many JAWS users also have Magic, the application for people with
> some but limited vision. FS used to sell the two products separately, and
> perhaps they still do, even though both are distributed on the same CD.
> However, your source for this data would be FS, and as a privately-held
> company, I expect they'd deem such information proprietary, as in secret.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of Dave Carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 5:21 PM
> To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS training.
>
> Mostafa,
>
> That's a very interesting perspective. I had not thought about this
> application for JAWS, especially for a person who does not speak the
> language being displayed.
>
> I know that Dan Clark is sighted, but I do not know if he uses JAWS because
> it is his job, or because he would use it if he did not work for Freedom
> Scientific. I think the latter choice is less likely.
>
> I am not sure how many sighted users would pay the money for JAWS for the
> application you suggest, but I would guess that the number of those are very
> small compared to the partially-sighted and blind community who use JAWS as
> a means to be more on par with their sighted peers.
>
> Again I hope you are able to make good use of your ideas, but if you are
> wanting to know how many sighted users there are for JAWS, then petitioning
> this list may not be a statistically valid population. I think there is a
> significant bias on this list toward those who have limited or no sight at
> all.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mostafa almahdy" <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 13:52
> Subject: Re: JAWS training.
>
> Hello mister Dave: first of all: I appreciate your responds to me; I
> experienced various positive associations from you. as all we know that's
> Dan Clark for instance who is essentially the initial representative of the
> regular updated JAWS training materials is completely a sighted guy; isn't
> he? and I think that's he is very creative user of JAWS. what I really
> wanted to say at this point: that's JAWS and it's related products is not
> entirely an private stufff for those who are visually impairment computer
> users; I believe that's JAWS could be used as an principal and SPECTACULAR
> educational instrument to teach the correct spoken tongue for nun native
> speakers. and that's precisely what JAWS has done for me. I wish to hear
> from you about this particular issue. I believe that's our adaptive
> technologies has been invented to get us out of any imprisonment conditions.
> I know that's the subject is not listed in the discussions herein; I
> apologize to it's moderators; owners and members. Mostafa Almahdy. Egyptian
> Citizen. msn instant messenger: blind_user_forever@xxxxxxxxxxx join me per
> English Conversation and precious friendship. On 4/13/10, Dave Carlson
> <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hello Mostafa,
>
> That would be very hard data to gather. Even if you had some responses on
> this list, you would not know what percentage of the total JAWS population
> they represented.
>
> If you're interested in trying to gauge what type of training to develop,
> based on the partial vs. total blind community, I can understand your need
> for that. However I believe it's also data that you cannot get from any
> other institution, even if they had it. There are some privacy issues that
> shelter that specific information.
>
> Perhaps there are some numbers you can get from governments, but I don't
> think it would be so specific as to tell who uses JAWS, and who does not.
>
> When I worked for another company years ago and I volunteered for a
> committee for disabled employees, there was no legal way to find out how
> many of each disability worked for the company due to those protections. All
> we knew were those who stepped forward and self-identified. But with that we
> could not quantify any percentages.
>
> Good luck to your endeavor.
>
> Dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mostafa almahdy" <mostafa.almahdy@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: "jfw" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 12:16
> Subject: JAWS training.
>
> Hello everybody: I thought to drop this message inquiring about how many of
> the JAWS users are sighted? any ideas? Mostafa.
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