Coding Google Docs
- From: John Martyn <johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:37:10 -0800
I just watched this video and it presets a flurry of issues with Jaws. Not to
say this is impossible, it seems like the normal issues one would encounter
with the web browser in general. Things not speaking can be corrected depending
on this application actually naming these windows. I could identify where and
what you could do if this information was present and readable. This is
definately a serious issue. I have talked with the NFB before when putting
Rhapsody blind out there. Even a radio show with Jamie Pauls. Either the
universities, NFB, freedom scientific, or google might be able to work with us
on this. Perhaps a joint effort. One thing about focusing the application, is
that windows are nested within regular apps. Hopefully, this would ring true
for this web app. I don't know yet, but I could find out seen. This will
determine how difficult this task would be. Another issue is compatibility with
different browsers. IE probably works best for this and figuring out how to
impliment it is key. I can create files that are linked to IE without replacing
much in IE source files. I will be back with more info on this google docs
thing.
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Hi,
In a news release dated 3/15/2011 the NFB has filed a complaint against two
Universities namely NEW York University and Northwestern University concerning
their adopting of software that is not accessible to the blind.
In their request to investigate made to the department of Justice Civil
Rights Department the NFB states the adopting of Google apps for education
which includes Google docs, g mail, etc;, discriminates against blind staff
and students.
A full copy of the news release can be found at: www.nfb.org
Charles
From: Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:30 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
OK.
This "coding for an application" raises a good point. Indeed, Internet
Explorer, FireFox, and the like are applications; however, Websites have
progressed well beyond what we think of as traditional Websites.
More and more, I'm seeing applications migrate away from the client/server
model, where something is installed on a local PC, to Web-based applications,
where the application resides remotely and is only accessed through the browser.
For instance, I use a Web application at my office which is a pretty
sophisticated document management system.
By that, I mean only a shadow of a Microsoft Office document resides on the
local drive (and only for emergency back-up purposes). The real files are not
even located on a remote server that our firm owns. Instead, they reside
somewhere in a mountain cave in Utah.
When I want to access, search for, or save a document, Internet Explorer runs
a Web application that looks up or stores the document with a whole range of
information (e.g., author, creation date, last edit date, client number, matter
number, document name, type of law, type of document, and selected key words.).
The look-up operates much like a Google search operates or, in the
alternative, by field look-up.
There are competitive applications, but they all operate on the client/server
model.
The point is that more and more of these Web applications are appearing.
Fortunately, the one referenced above is pretty well behaved, particularly with
JAWS and its quick keys, or whatever they are called.
It does not, however, respond all that well to scripts. That, however, may
be my ineptitude as a script writer, though the scripts I wrote were hardly
more than macros, i.e., a series of keystrokes.
I would certainly like to see an accomplished script writer tackle, or try to
tackle, a Web application of general applicability.
I cannot think of an application with more general applicability than Google
Docs, but I do have my own selfish objectives that, in the interest of full
disclosure, I need to reveal. Still, a free application that can be shared in
a collaborative way with power that approaches Microsoft Office would be pretty
important to lots of people.
Google Docs is free. Microsoft Office doesn't come cheap.
Google Docs, however, may simply be too great a challenge. After all, all
the screen reader people seem to have given up on it.
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Bob W
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:48 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Peter, here's my thinking and I hope others will correct me if I'm wrong.
A website is not an application.
the applications involved would be your browser--i.e. or firefox, or chrome.
For that matter, google docs would not be an application either.
Just my thoughts.
Bob
A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that
thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Holdstock
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Hi, for many blind people dating is quite difficult and many dating
websites don’t seem too accessible, and I have seen a few posts from people
trying to get various websites working. I’d be very grateful if the website
www.plentyoffish.com was made accessible in some way. It is pretty accessible
at the mom ent so shouldn’t require too much work, but there are a
lot of extra links and information you have to try and bypass to get to the
useful stuff.
I may be the only one who wants that website accessible, but I hope not
and I think lots would benefit from a fully accessible dating site where it’s
not just disabled people.
Peter
Thanks.
Peter
From: John Martyn
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:33 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ; jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Coding for a new jaws accessible app
Hi folks,
As my 32nd birthday approaches, I think I am going to make a habit of
picking one new application per year to make jaws accessible. Picking Rhapsody
was not an easy task, but it taught me many things about an application that
seems next to impossible to make behave. I am taking off this summer from
school and will have the time to code a new application. Rhapsody Blind was a
test to see if I could pull it off, and it worked. I selfishly chose the first
one, now I'm looking for the popular vote on what you might want. I probably
won't start until this semester is over at the end of May, so this gives plenty
of time to decide. It would be a good idea to chat among each other and find
out what is needed or just plain want for entertainment purposes. So, let's
open up the floor and hear some suggestions.
Thanks,
John Martyn
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