RE: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

  • From: "Marquette, Ed" <Ed.Marquette@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:30:05 -0500

OK.
This "coding for an application" raises a good point.  Indeed, Internet 
Explorer, FireFox, and the like are applications; however, Websites have 
progressed well beyond what we think of as traditional Websites.
More and more, I'm seeing applications migrate away from the client/server 
model, where something is installed on a local PC, to Web-based applications, 
where the application resides remotely and is only accessed through the browser.
For instance, I use a Web application at my office which is a pretty 
sophisticated document management system.
By that, I mean only a shadow of a Microsoft Office document resides on the 
local drive (and only for emergency back-up purposes).  The real files are not 
even located on a remote server that our firm owns.  Instead, they reside 
somewhere in a mountain cave in Utah.
When I want to access, search for, or save a document, Internet Explorer runs a 
Web application that looks up or stores the document with a whole range of 
information (e.g., author, creation date, last edit date, client number, matter 
number, document name, type of law, type of document, and selected key words.). 
 The look-up operates much like a Google search operates or, in the 
alternative, by field look-up.
There are competitive applications, but they all operate on the client/server 
model.
The point is that more and more of these Web applications are appearing.  
Fortunately, the one referenced above is pretty well behaved, particularly with 
JAWS and its quick keys, or whatever they are called.
It does not, however, respond all that well to scripts.  That, however, may be 
my ineptitude as a script writer, though the scripts I wrote were hardly more 
than macros, i.e., a series of keystrokes.
I would certainly like to see an accomplished script writer tackle, or try to 
tackle, a Web application of general applicability.
I cannot think of an application with more general applicability than Google 
Docs, but I do have my own selfish objectives that, in the interest of full 
disclosure, I need to reveal.  Still, a free application that can be shared in 
a collaborative way with power that approaches Microsoft Office would be pretty 
important to lots of people.
Google Docs is free.  Microsoft Office doesn't come cheap.
Google Docs, however, may simply be too great a challenge.  After all, all the 
screen reader people seem to have given up on it.


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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
Bob W
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:48 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

Peter, here's my thinking and I hope others will correct me if I'm wrong.
A website is not an application.
the applications involved would be your browser--i.e. or firefox, or chrome.

For that matter, google docs would not be an application either.

Just my  thoughts.

Bob

A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing 
you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Holdstock<mailto:peterholdstock@xxxxxxx>
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

Hi, for many blind people dating is quite difficult and many dating websites 
don’t seem too accessible, and I have seen a few posts from people trying to 
get various websites working. I’d be very grateful if the website 
www.plentyoffish.com<http://www.plentyoffish.com> was made accessible in some 
way. It is pretty accessible at the mom            ent so shouldn’t require 
too much work, but there are a lot of extra links and information you have to 
try and bypass to get to the useful stuff.

I may be the only one who wants that website accessible, but I hope not and I 
think lots would benefit from a fully accessible dating site where it’s not 
just disabled people.

Peter

Thanks.

Peter

From: John Martyn<mailto:johnrobertmartyn@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 8:33 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 
jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:jaws-users-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Coding for a new jaws accessible app

Hi folks,
As my 32nd birthday approaches, I think I am going to make a habit of picking 
one new application per year to make jaws accessible. Picking Rhapsody was not 
an easy task, but it taught me many things about an application that seems next 
to impossible to make behave. I am taking off this summer from school and will 
have the time to code a new application. Rhapsody Blind was a test to see if I 
could pull it off, and it worked. I selfishly chose the first one, now I'm 
looking for the popular vote on what you might want. I probably won't start 
until this semester is over at the end of May, so this gives plenty of time to 
decide. It would be a good idea to chat among each other and find out what is 
needed or just plain want for entertainment purposes. So, let's open up the 
floor and hear some suggestions.
Thanks,
John Martyn

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