Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: basic question about forms mode
- From: "Dave Carlson" <dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:46:43 -0700
Mike,
Yes, I was not happy with the auto forms feature when it first came out, but
since we can control how quickly it reacts to single-letter navigation, it's
become a much better tool.
Now I'd like to see them also allow a delay for when the window first opens. I
have several sites that open and the auto form immediately activates on the
edit field near the top, such as in Yahoo. I'd like to delay that, as well, so
I can move away if I choose.
This would be relevant to how quickly auto forms mode reacts when using the Tab
key, for example, instead of using single-letter navigation.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike & Barbara
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 08:37
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: basic question about forms mode
Hi Dave;
I have Auto Forms mode off/unchecked. That is why I never noticed the
navigation quick key delay combobox. Thank you very much for sharing this
tip. I might get to like the auto forms mode now. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Carlson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: basic question about forms mode
Mike,
Configuration Manager, then set/forms Modes. Then it's all there.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike & Barbara
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 05:22
Subject: [Bulk] Re: basic question about forms mode
Hi Dave;
Would you please give the details on how to set up the auto announce
delay feature. This is an option that I am totally unaware of. All help will
be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Carlson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: basic question about forms mode
Adrian,
I've made a couple adjustments to my auto forms mode:
1. I've set the auto announce delay to 3 seconds. That means if I use
the
navigation letters like e or f I can repeat them until I hear the edit
field I want, then in a reasonable amount of time I hear the chime,
announcing edit mode.
2. I changed the chime to something more meaningful to my poor ears.
Ascend.wav for entering and descend.wav for exiting. Much clearer to my
ears
when I'm in or out.
3. IN a couple web pages I don't like the auto forms mode, so I use the
personalized settings for those pages and for those pages only, I
disable
auto forms mode.
Works for me.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Spratt" <Adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 19:20
Subject: Re: basic question about forms mode
Michael,
Forms mode is a little testy in JAWS 10 and 11, but the problems you've
encountered can be overcome. Here are a few tricks.
1. If unsure I've been put in an edit field or if I'm in the one I
want, I
press the up arrow key once and the down arrow once. That usually
accomplishes two things. First, it tells me if I was in forms mode, in
which
case I will be returned to it, as the up beep will indicate. It also
usually
tells me the text preceding the edit field.
2. If I'm outright confused, I'll press the PC mode key to make sure
I'm out
of forms mode, then press control-home to go to the top of the webpage.
Then
I'll press e for edit to locate the first edit field. If it's the one I
want, a quick up and down arrow will put me in that field. If it isn't,
another press of e will take me to the next edit field, and so on.
3. Google, which used to be the simplest page for access, has become
quirky
for me. usually, when I open google, I land in the search field, which
JAWS
tells me. But not always. Then I do the second procedure I've outlined
just
above.
But sometimes, like you, I can't get the Google page to recognize what I
type. The only solution in that case is to reopen Google. Since that's
my
home page, I just press alt-home to bring it up.
Other times, the page recognizes what I've typed, but it won't bring up
the
results page. The solution there is to locate the search button under
the
edit field and press spacebar, which normally isn't necessary.
FYI, in these examples, I'm using IE8.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Arnowitt" <foodsong@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: basic question about forms mode
I'm getting along pretty well with Jaws except for using it on the web,
where I just don't seem to be doing things right. Is there any easy way
to
know if you're in forms mode or not while in an edit field? Frequently
I go
to a site and you might be thrown into a login section. How do you know
if
you can just start typing away
... sometimes when I try to do that, it doesn't type at all and if I
happen to type a b it's looking for a button, or a t would be looking
for a
table, etc. On the other hand if I press enter hoping to get into forms
mode, sometimes it turns out I'm already in forms mode so pressing enter
executes my blank edit field and takes me to the next screen. So is
there
any way I can find out from Jaws before trying to type if I'm currently
in
forms mode or not?
Another question I have is sometimes I'm in an edit field and feel stuck
because typing does nothing but pressing enter also does nothing. An
example
of when this happens to me is in Google, an initial search works fine
but
when I bring the cursor up to the edit field at the top of the screen
to do
a second search I can't type anything in or get into forms mode by
pressing
enter. A friend of mine said I should press the plus key on the numpad,
then
press enter, but that doesn't work for me in this situation. It appears
Jaws
has put me at the end of the Google edit field and I can backspace
characters to delete them but I can't type in new ones. When I am stuck
like
this if you can believe it I am actually turning Jaws off so I can type,
then turning Jaws back on to hear the results from Google, and I can't
tell
you how dumb this makes me feel.
I am using Jaws 10 with XP.
Michael
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