[jawsscripts] Re: why is jaws soooo poor at reading installation dialogs?
- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chaltain@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:30:14 -0600
Well, for my part, and this is just one JAWS user's opinion, I had to think
a bit about what you were saying, since I didn't notice any particular
problems with JAWS and installation dialogs. I guess I've just gotten into
the habit of using the JAWS cursor, so I don't see it as a big deal. I agree
it may be disconcerting for a new user though. I've also never used the
insert+b function, so I guess I don't know what I'm missing. For my part, I
don't see these as big deals, and I think FS has higher priority issues to
go after. That being said, these may not be difficult issues to resolve
either.
Also, even though I'm not a big user of Research It or some of the other new
features that FS has implemented, I'm not going to discount them out of
hand. Just because I'm not a big user of some of these features doesn't mean
there aren't others who see the value in such features. I'm glad FS has
implemented support for Office 2007 and Office 2010, 64-bit Windows, Windows
Vista and Windows 7, iTunes, the virtual ribbon and so on. For my part,
working better with applications like Lotus Notes, Sametime, Symphony, Open
Office and others would be high on my list of priorities for FS.
--
Christopher
chaltain@xxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 6:53 PM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: why is jaws soooo poor at reading installation
dialogs?
cool, well I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this then.
last time I tried window eyes I gleaned it seemed heaps better at just
reading dialogs as they popped up, than good old silentscreen jaws tended to
be. it's such basic basic functionality too, and one of thee most important
ones I reckon, for newby users, which are surely the ones FS would wanna nab
to drag into the fold etc? newbys need to know what the screen is saying,
and, I just reeeeally think that's something FS should work on. Both that,
and that horrible insert+B, read box. command.
Does anyone else find that just attrociously poor also?
or does anyone have any backbround information on that script who may've
ever looked into it, to see whether it could be majorly improved by someone?
then offered up to fs on a platter? then the blinky world might benefit?
----- Original Message -----
From: "G-Dog" <lucifur@xxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:33 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: why is jaws soooo poor at reading installation
dialogs?
> Agreed!
> I think it has something to do with reading highlighted text.
> I'm thinking that text in many instal dialog boxes is not quote
> highlighted
> unquote.
> Therefore, jfw doesn't pick up on it.
> JFW instal dialog boxes itself reads everything just perfect!
> ON the other hand, Adobe flash player update installers is brutal! All I
> get is the letters q which, I guess means quit. And, the letter I, for
> install.
> That company needs to be newked!
> The JFW cursor always reads desktop items when arrowing down to read some
> porrly designed dialog boxes, program intergfaces etc, etc.
> Overall, I find jfw 12 to be filled with focus issues that they fixed in
> version 11 and broke again in 12.
> Sometimes text doesn't take on my google homepage whilst in forms mode. I
> have to tab to the search button then enter the text in the search fieled
> again.
> This became a problem in jfw 9 with the creation of auto formsmode on and
> the associateing sounds.
> JFW also has serious problems figuring out window layers.
> If I have notepad openned it seems to get in the way of other windows even
> though they are in focus.
> Same goes when I have an email message open in OE.
>
> But really folks, are you surprised?
>
> G-Dog
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 1:02 PM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] why is jaws soooo poor at reading installation
> dialogs?
>
>
> anyone care to comment, on whether they feel jaws is particularly poor, at
> auto reading many pop up dialogs, that often accompany installations? and
> in particular, seemingly almost constantly, the last step, where the box
> is
> reporting "ready to install," where the next button alters to the install
> button? Just has seemed to me for ages that jaws is particularly bad at
> this? and, also, a huge beef I have also, is just how incredibly poor Jaws
> seems to me to be, at handling the manual Box read functionality of
> jaws+B?
> my vibe is they haven't touched that script in donkeys years, and that it
> just surely could be made a whole lot smarter and cleaner than it is?
> anyone
> mess with it much? it just constantly double/tripple reads things, reads
> buttons first and the information last, and doesn't read some
> dialogs/window
> at all, claiming it's not in a dialog, ... etc?
>
> if it can't be made to automatically do well, then it just seems insult to
> injury that it does so poorly, to my mind/experience anywayz, at handling
> intuitive manual reads?
>
> thoughts?
>
>
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