[jawsscripts] Re: help friends with emu's patchmix DSP
- From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:11:24 +1000
hi Darío.
I am way behind on my life!
man I am sorry that I haven't gotten back to you re this queery of yours
below. I've got more hsc things to chase as well for another list member
whose asked, but just haven't made the time to look into and gbet back to
people on everything yet.
Please write to me again if this slips my mind and you haven't heard from me
in a couple more days on this?
But I'm suspecting that maybe they're using non-standard ToolTip popups,
which is why they speak when screenEcho All is selected, but not when hsc is
trying to pickup toolTips? you have set toolTips to speak haven't you, in
the verbosity dialog of config manager? inside the settings for each given
user verbosity setting in here? tooltip reading is at the end of the list
for what you want spoken in each user Verbosity level in here, and it's
always unchecked by default for some bizzarre reason, not that this should
effect hsc's scanner mode I don't think, but, ... it might?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darío F. Jenkins" <darioj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:42 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: help friends with emu's patchmix DSP
> Hi Geoff, thanks a lot for your detailed answer and all your time and
efford
> helping. Sorry for the delay, but I wanted to check your suggestions so I
> give you a more detailed scenario. I have to check two points before
giving
> a full answer but this is what I have gathered till now.
> Well, here I am running
> a. jaws 9.0
> b. HSC version 192.
> c. Jaws does consistently read some information when I have screen echo
set
> to all and run the cursor over specific areas (an example would be the
text
> "create new strip" or "delete strip"). I must check again what happends
when
> in "not highlighted" mode.
> d. When I run the scanner, it keeps making the clock sound and sometimes
> that metallic sound accompanied by a progress reading (21% for example)
and
> no other message. It ends saying that no tooltips were found.
> e. I have started the scanner from top of the windows, so this is another
> point to check.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 3:43 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: help friends with emu's patchmix DSP
>
>
> > hi Darío.
> >
> > I also have one of these largely inaccessible
> > BitMap labelled type interfaces with a sound card I bought some time
ago,
> > called an m-audio fw410. lots of fun eh? <grin.>
> >
> > I'm also a music/audio dude so I know the type of patchbay router/mixer
> > control pannel it'll be, with sliders/faders, probably knobs, buttons,
> > radio
> > buttons and checkboxes all over the shop etc.
> > you reckon you can actually detect individual jaws recognized graphics
on
> > the screen for each control? or only some of them. In my experience
> > here,
> > some of the things jaws identified as graphics, were not actually
controls
> > of the interface, but actualy, in some cases, just part of the
> > panneling/background vibe, of the look of the thing.
> > Many of the actual onscreen controls were invisible to jaws, and their
> > labels were of course BitMapped, meaning jaws couldn't read any of them
as
> > direct text directly off the screen with the jawsCursor.
> >
> > Hsc was certainly the only tool I could see halfway hopeful of
> > gaining some usible accessibility out of the thing.
> >
> > re hsc's ToolTip scanner not seeming to pickUp the popups, hmmm, this
> > needs
> > looking into somewhat further.
> > Can you confirm for me:
> > A. Which version of jaws are you running.
> > B. Which version of hsc are you currently running, latest one from site?
> >
> > C. that you are definitely hearing popups/tooltips consistently spoken,
> > i.e.
> > same information spoken consistently when hovering over same area of the
> > screen with the jaws cursor?
> > when screenEcho is set to normative highlighted? i.e. not set to all?
> >
> > D. when running the hsc Scanner, and you experience it not picking up
the
> > toolTips/popUps properly, do you hear anything spoken at all during the
> > scan? i.e. when a toolTip is properly, "picked up," by the hsc scanner,
> > you
> > should hear a tool gathering, metallic type sound accompanying the
> > announcement of the toolTip itself. and the same line of toolTips will
> > oftten be spoken multiple times, as the jawsCursor crawls back and forth
> > slowly moving downwards over a given area.
> > Or, are you hearing perhaps, anything spoken as jaws cursor moves about,
> > but
> > hsc isn't making the proper happy metallic type sound, indicating hsc
has
> > detected it as a "proper," toolTip? I say, "proper," because, there are
> > some
> > PopUp type information, which is not strictly a ToolTip event per Se,
and
> > in
> > which case hsc wil not detect it as such as fair game for it's scanner.
> >
> > E. Do you start the scan just above, or even at the same line, as where
> > you've been hearing these popups when you've moved the jawsCursor
> > manually?
> > i.e. don't start it in it's normative configuration, from the top of the
> > whole application window etc, but rather, start it from a point that you
> > know yields popUp information, when you move the jawsCursor manually.
> >
> > In my view, as having been at one time intimately associated with the
> > testing/design ideas of hsc, this whole ToolTip gaterhing area is
perhaps
> > the least well tested of all hsc's features, (my bad,)
> > and deserves some more work done in this area in my view, to become the
> > very
> > useful feature that it has the potential of being, if more situations
> > could
> > be catered for, handling other types of popups somehow.
> >
> > There would be a way You could perhaps further qualify/test this, but
I'd
> > have to get the actual function name from the hsc Developer, that he
uses
> > to
> > process regular toolTip events for this functionality first.
> > the ToolTipEvent() function, appears not to be the one that actually
> > handles
> > the speaking of ToolTips, so, ... yep, let me know if you need me to
chase
> > this up some more. some spare eyes would be handy at this point though
eh.
> > <grin.>
> >
> > geoff c.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darío F. Jenkins" <darioj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:16 PM
> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: help friends with emu's patchmix DSP
> >
> >
> >> Hi friends again. To give you an idea, the program that I am speaking
> > about
> >> comes with the Emu 1212 sound interface. It simulates an audio console,
> >> so
> >> it is quite graphical and it seems the only way to take advantage of
the
> >> sound card's capabilities at its fullest degree. Its like an advanced
> > volume
> >> control, but for the sound card.
> >> I was using HSC because I noticed that when I run the JAWS cursor along
> > the
> >> screen sometimes it reads me some kind of tooltips but they are
> > indetectable
> >> by the HSC automatic scaner. So I am tring to locate the buttons
manualy.
> >> By the way, I wrote to Emu's client support and they told me they can't
> >> do
> >> anything. *lol* Not good publicity for their company.
> >> Another approach, the soft uses sessions to save the vaious channels
and
> >> volume settings and they are in .xml files, so I also am trying to
> > decipher
> >> the various tags, maybe I could write my own text-only interface!
> >> Thanks in advance
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Michele Barbi" <barbuz87@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:31 AM
> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: help friends with emu's patchmix DSP
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hey Dario,
> >> > pardon my ignorance, which kind of program is Patchmix? Never heared
of
> >> > it.
> >> > Bye!
> >> > Barbuz
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