I also wish to get expert in script writing. Do I need to have initial
knowledge of programming?
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[mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:51 AM
To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Kurzweil 3000 scripting ideas
Bob, amen & amen. Darrell, here's the thing. The college may have been given
K3000 for free. But if you spend hours & hours writing scripts for it, &/or if
someone has to be hired to do that or spends their time to help you, then it
really isn't free. Even if the time is being volunteered, it still isn't free.
2nd, when you script something, it's like fitting round pegs into square holes.
You're asking a piece of software to do something it wasn't meant to do. That's
all well & good when there are no accessible alternatives---foolhardy, not to
mention a waste of valuable time, IMO, when an accessible alternative designed
for the specific purpose exists. Not only so, but that accessible program can
be used w/all the major screenreaders, whereas scripting renders it a Jaws-only
solution. The difference between your ITunes example & this is simply that
there was no accessible alternative to ITunes at the time. 3rd, you haven't
told us what you've done to learn scripting basics. Nor have you provided us
w/any of your code so we can have a look & give suggestions. You can't learn
calculus w/o having first learned algebra, geometry, trig, etc. Same applies to
scripting. You've got to get the basics down, understand what the functions do,
etc, prior to trying to script an app. & I can't speak for anyone else here,
but I personally failed telepathy 101 miserably.
The only reason I received so much as a single point on the exam was because I
put my name on my paper. Lol. Thus, you need to show us what you've done by
providing us w/your sourcecode. Lastly, I'd suggest confining yourself to a
single query. Solve that, then move on. But really, Sir--learn the basics above
all else.
On 2/1/17, Bob _ <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
I'll try and be nice about a response too (wink)
So some info that may help you.
If the application your working on isn't something easy for others to
get their hands on and test with when trying to help you then any
questions really need to be regarding theory rather than your exact
issue as it's almost impossible to answer otherwise. Bear this in mind
while reading through my answers to your points.
1. Document edit areas that are not standard and cannot be simply
reclassify often need you to rewrite all the basic reading commands.
You need to look into what text you can actually access as if you
can't get the current line of text with the Jaws cursor then it might be a
non starter immediately.
2. This item in your list doesn't give any information as to what
problem your having with these or even what they are/do.
3. Again, no mention of what problem your having with these, not able
to focus the fields, field labels not read back, field contest not
read back etc etc
Control IDs are rarely something you can use.
Usually, but probably not always, when they can be used they are 4
digits long.
Compare it to the window handle, it's probably the same and will
change every time the interface refreshes.
I think I may have had 1 application in the last 8 years where the
ControlIDs were useful.
And very quick comment on your observations.
While all software should be accessible and the institutions should do
everything they can to ensure this I'm not sure what the alternative
to those two packages would be as they are probably the two most popular.
Please also bear in mind that while everyone here is very helpful and
will pass on as much knowledge as they can for a particular issue,
nobody is obligated to help. Note that I am only talking for myself
when I use the term everyone.
The tone in your message implies that your owed the answers and that
kind of thing gets my back up.
My moan over, see how you get on and if I can help further please do ask.
Bob
On 1 Feb 2017, at 17:41, Darrell Bowles <DGbowles@xxxxxxx> wrote:__________
Hello all,
I am writing to discuss the possibility of writing scripts for
Kurzweil 3000, currently at version 15.
While I understand that Kurzweil 1000, is geared twards people who
are blind, or require keyboard access, Kurzweil 3000 is a highly
popular educational tool. The developers have done some work making
a good deal of the program accessible, including adding a lot of
keyboard shortcuts to menu options. However, they are lacking in some
major areas, wich include,
1. The edit area whare the document is, is not a standard edit field.
The window class is KESITEXT.
2. There are several options that JAWS reads as, Read Read only,
Write Read only, and Scan read only. I do not believe, by the
feedback, that JAWS gives me, that these are standard controls
either. I will look in to reclassifying these controls.
3. The window that shows the definition's of a word that is
highlighted (selected), is not a standard window. It is a form of
dialog, that sits overtop of the other edit window, neither wich are
standard controls.
Just as a side note, well one side note here, I tried to get JAWS to
jump to the KESITEXT class window using the function that uses the
control ID, and while the script compiled, there was no result.
finally, I want to say something, and I'll try and be nice about it.
When I wrote before on this topic, I was told that this product is
marketed twards persons with Intelectual disabilities. That is all
fine and good, but when that product is being given to students for
free, and it is not fully accessible, the college could very well get in
trouble.
The university that I attend is doing the same with Read and Write
gold, and the NFB should nail that college, but that's an entirely
different story. All that to say this:
I feel that I was dismissed, regarding this issue, and I am not
asking anyone to write my scripts. While I am new at script writing,
and have a long way to go still, I'm nearly asking for the tools to
do what I need to do. I will be examining the application within the
next couple of days, and will probably write to this list again with what I
have found.
I remember when ITunes first came out, and it was completely
inaccessible. The NFB threatened apple because of an uproar made by
the blind community in America that they wanted access too. Before
that time, Apple devices were not Relevant to blind people, and I
think the opinion is, this program isn't either. I will write back when I
know more.
Darrell
Those who hope for the hopeless have a dream. But those who hope for
the dream have the greater reward. I believe it is a form of dialog,
that sits on top of the edit window.
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