Bob, amen & amen. Darrell, here's the thing. The college may have been
given K3000 for free. But if you spend hours & hours writing scripts
for it, &/or if someone has to be hired to do that or spends their
time to help you, then it really isn't free. Even if the time is being
volunteered, it still isn't free. 2nd, when you script something, it's
like fitting round pegs into square holes. You're asking a piece of
software to do something it wasn't meant to do. That's all well & good
when there are no accessible alternatives---foolhardy, not to mention
a waste of valuable time, IMO, when an accessible alternative designed
for the specific purpose exists. Not only so, but that accessible
program can be used w/all the major screenreaders, whereas scripting
renders it a Jaws-only solution. The difference between your ITunes
example & this is simply that there was no accessible alternative to
ITunes at the time. 3rd, you haven't told us what you've done to learn
scripting basics. Nor have you provided us w/any of your code so we
can have a look & give suggestions. You can't learn calculus w/o
having first learned algebra, geometry, trig, etc. Same applies to
scripting. You've got to get the basics down, understand what the
functions do, etc, prior to trying to script an app. & I can't speak
for anyone else here, but I personally failed telepathy 101 miserably.
The only reason I received so much as a single point on the exam was
because I put my name on my paper. Lol. Thus, you need to show us what
you've done by providing us w/your sourcecode. Lastly, I'd suggest
confining yourself to a single query. Solve that, then move on. But
really, Sir--learn the basics above all else.
On 2/1/17, Bob _ <temp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
I'll try and be nice about a response too (wink)
So some info that may help you.
If the application your working on isn't something easy for others to get
their hands on and test with when trying to help you then any questions
really need to be regarding theory rather than your exact issue as it's
almost impossible to answer otherwise. Bear this in mind while reading
through my answers to your points.
1. Document edit areas that are not standard and cannot be simply reclassify
often need you to rewrite all the basic reading commands. You need to look
into what text you can actually access as if you can't get the current line
of text with the Jaws cursor then it might be a non starter immediately.
2. This item in your list doesn't give any information as to what problem
your having with these or even what they are/do.
3. Again, no mention of what problem your having with these, not able to
focus the fields, field labels not read back, field contest not read back
etc etc
Control IDs are rarely something you can use.
Usually, but probably not always, when they can be used they are 4 digits
long.
Compare it to the window handle, it's probably the same and will change
every time the interface refreshes.
I think I may have had 1 application in the last 8 years where the
ControlIDs were useful.
And very quick comment on your observations.
While all software should be accessible and the institutions should do
everything they can to ensure this I'm not sure what the alternative to
those two packages would be as they are probably the two most popular.
Please also bear in mind that while everyone here is very helpful and will
pass on as much knowledge as they can for a particular issue, nobody is
obligated to help. Note that I am only talking for myself when I use the
term everyone.
The tone in your message implies that your owed the answers and that kind of
thing gets my back up.
My moan over, see how you get on and if I can help further please do ask.
Bob
On 1 Feb 2017, at 17:41, Darrell Bowles <DGbowles@xxxxxxx> wrote:__________�
Hello all,
I am writing to discuss the possibility of writing scripts for Kurzweil
3000, currently at version 15.
While I understand that Kurzweil 1000, is geared twards people who are
blind, or require keyboard access, Kurzweil 3000 is a highly popular
educational tool. The developers have done some work making a good deal
of the program accessible, including adding a lot of keyboard shortcuts
to menu options. However, they are lacking in some major areas, wich
include,
1. The edit area whare the document is, is not a standard edit field. The
window class is KESITEXT.
2. There are several options that JAWS reads as, Read Read only, Write
Read only, and Scan read only. I do not believe, by the feedback, that
JAWS gives me, that these are standard controls either. I will look in to
reclassifying these controls.
3. The window that shows the definition's of a word that is highlighted
(selected), is not a standard window. It is a form of dialog, that sits
overtop of the other edit window, neither wich are standard controls.
Just as a side note, well one side note here, I tried to get JAWS to jump
to the KESITEXT class window using the function that uses the control ID,
and while the script compiled, there was no result.
finally, I want to say something, and I'll try and be nice about it.
When I wrote before on this topic, I was told that this product is
marketed twards persons with Intelectual disabilities. That is all fine
and good, but when that product is being given to students for free, and
it is not fully accessible, the college could very well get in trouble.
The university that I attend is doing the same with Read and Write gold,
and the NFB should nail that college, but that's an entirely different
story. All that to say this:
I feel that I was dismissed, regarding this issue, and I am not asking
anyone to write my scripts. While I am new at script writing, and have a
long way to go still, I'm nearly asking for the tools to do what I need
to do. I will be examining the application within the next couple of days,
and will probably write to this list again with what I have found.
I remember when ITunes first came out, and it was completely
inaccessible. The NFB threatened apple because of an uproar made by the
blind community in America that they wanted access too. Before that time,
Apple devices were not Relevant to blind people, and I think the opinion
is, this program isn't either. I will write back when I know more.
Darrell
Those who hope for the hopeless have a dream. But those who hope for the
dream have the greater reward. I believe it is a form of dialog, that sits
on top of the edit window.
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