then, hmmm, I'm kinda confused. from what your saying, it sounds like there is a work-around for doing what your needing then? or have I missed something? or is it just a relative hardness thing your speaking of? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:44 AM Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > hi, > > this is not just hi-lighting, > sighted people just move the mouse down the list of songs and hit the > checkbox for a song they want to add to their ipod. > jaws users have to hit apps key, go down to check selection and hit enter. > Bryan Schulz > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:37 AM > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > > > > in version 8, I've never needed to do that brian. could you explain a > > little > > more exactly what the purposes of those checkBoxes are? different from > > utilizing shift+arros to select things? are you talking for discontiguous > > selections maybe? > > if your using 8, I thought you could Control+Click items manually with the > > JawsCursor activated? > > have you tried this? > > Does the checking of these boxes though, equate to the highlighting of the > > items, as read by jaws as selected items? if you turn screen Echo back to > > normative SayHighlited, and then makeing a custom highlight for the > > particular selection color of a given item etc? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 4:07 AM > > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > > > > > >> hi, > >> > >> anybody find a work around for the invisible check boxes when selecting > >> songs in the tunes program, not on the web? > >> > >> Bryan Schulz > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx> > >> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:02 AM > >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > >> > >> > >> > Jeff, I used Itunes 8 and found the combo box to be very massive at > > times > >> > and too much to work with when in the store. As it works now after > >> > searching > >> > the store, I can just press f6 for the HTML, and if I want to buy or > >> > preview, I can press the letter B for the buy, and preview buttons. The > > f6 > >> > to jump through the box of search result when looking on the machine at > >> > local results still works as it did. > >> > So, rather than it being a lack of access, we may prefer different > >> > approaches to using iTunes. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman > >> > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:53 AM > >> > To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > >> > > >> > Hi matt. > >> > > >> > man obviously your comments and observations interest me greatly. two > >> > questions for you: > >> > and your tip about registering at the Itunes sight itself is a very > >> > helpful > >> > one! thanks for that, I wasn't aware you could do it that way. very > >> > useful. > >> > > >> > two questions for you however: > >> > > >> > 1. have you ever actually sed ITunes 8 yourself prior to ITunes 9? > >> > > >> > or did you jump straight from 7 to 9? > >> > > >> > 2. in ITunes 9, after you've done, say, a search for a tune in the > > ITunes > >> > edit box, and yes, the ITunes store comes up in html mode with various > >> > things to click on, but also, if an individual song, most likely a list > >> > box > >> > will also come up, to which you used to be able to hit f6 to bring > >> > keyboard > >> > focus, > >> > and Jaws would identify it as a list view etc. > >> > when in this box you could up and down arrow through often 150 entries, > >> > versions of the song you asked for etc, and hit enter to preview each > > one. > >> > pressing applications key, to then choose "buy or get currently > >> > selected > >> > song or table item," to add it to shopping cart or do the oneClick buy > >> > thing, if that's what your prefernece was. > >> > Are you telling me your system moves focus to such a list box using > > ITunes > >> > 9 > >> > and jaws 11? > >> > and that you can do all that right now on your machine? > >> > > >> > Thanks. > >> > Geoff c. > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "matt" <mcdiemert@xxxxxxxxx> > >> > To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:31 AM > >> > Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > >> > > >> > > >> >> Jeff, not sure which version of jaws you are trying with iTunes 9 but > > in > >> >> jaws 11, it is by far the best access to iTunes ever. F6 works fine > >> >> and > >> > the > >> >> ability to have the store layed out in HTML is nice. > >> >> > >> >> As far as registering with iTunes the simplest way is to register via > > the > >> >> website first and then enter the apple ID in itunes once it's > >> >> established. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Geoff Chapman > >> >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:27 AM > >> >> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: Itunes Being a Pain!!! > >> >> > >> >> hi there. > >> >> > >> >> Do not think me rude, but I'm not sure if your first name is harmony > >> >> or > >> >> Neil, so I'll circumnavigate that one by not using either! <he he!> > >> >> > >> >> well, yes I do have ideas, but they are extree'ee'ee'eemely messy > >> >> ones, > >> > and > >> >> not the simple straight ahead solution I know you'll desire, prefer, > > and > >> >> fervently wish for! > >> >> > >> >> first of all, I regret to have to tell you, > >> >> that even if you succeed in registering your account with the latest > >> > version > >> >> of ITunes 9, > >> >> which I know apple will probably insist that you'll need to do the > >> > funkiest > >> >> connectivity things with your IPhone, whether that's correct or not > > would > >> > of > >> >> course depend on the specific things your wanting to do, but, I can > > tell > >> > you > >> >> right now, that if after reading this, you are able to setup/register > >> >> your > >> >> account with ITunes with version 9 independently, > >> >> which won't be easy I can tell you, but will possibly, > >> >> be remotely dooable with persistence, patience and a lot of fiddling > >> > around, > >> >> or if you can snaffle sighted help to do so, by far the easiest and > >> > simplest > >> >> way in my view at this point, > >> >> so far as my testings here are concerned, > >> >> even if you can do that, apple have well and truly flat out broken, > >> >> blatently disabled, any accessible keyboard driven previewing and > >> >> purchasing, of > >> >> music at least, from the ITunes store, in all itunes versions 9x, > >> >> that > >> > I've > >> >> been able to determine! > >> >> I don't know if that includes apps or not though. > >> >> > >> >> Version 8.2.1 is the lateest version which provides keyboard > >> >> accessible > >> >> navigating, previewing and purchasing of music at least, using the f6 > > key > >> > to > >> >> navigate the various ITunes panes, and to the most important list view > >> > pane, > >> >> which provided upDown arrow navigation, enter to preview tunes etc, > >> >> and > >> > the > >> >> applications/context menu key, to provide the menu, from which the > >> >> option, > >> >> "Buy or get currently selected songs table item," > >> >> could be chosen, by hitting enter on it etc. > >> >> > >> >> this version can be found here: > >> >> > >> >> or at least it could: > >> >> > >> >> > > >>http://www.oldapps.com/itunes.php?app=d9d4f495e875a2e075a1a4a6e1b9770f > >> >> > >> >> this previously accessible method of purchasing/previewing, seems > >> >> however, > >> >> to me, to be totally broken in ITunes 9. they've just disabled f6 even > >> >> moving to that listView at all, sighted people tell me it's visible on > >> >> the > >> >> screen, but I couldn't even read any of the text supposedly visible to > >> > them > >> >> in that list view, with the jawsCursor any more! Nor does it seem > >> >> possible > >> >> any more to read *any* of the previously visible information in the > >> >> ITunes > >> >> store itself, with the jawsCursor. > >> >> that used to also be visible to us with jaws cursor > >> >> in previous versions of ITunes, so you could at least stumble around > > and > >> >> click on things if you had to. But I can no longer even do that with > >> > ITunes > >> >> version 9 any more. > >> >> > >> >> it's not a happy story! > >> >> > >> >> a few questions I think before I go much further then, given the > >> >> above: > >> >> > >> >> 1. How keen/dedicated are you towards achieving this. > >> >> 2. would you say your a patient person with computers? > >> >> 3. what would you say your familiarization with use of jawsCursor is > >> > like, > >> >> and would you say you have a high frustration tolerance level > >> >> with stumbling around on computers? > >> >> <grin.> > >> >> 4. can you snaffle any sighted help easily? > >> >> > >> >> ok, just testing creating a new account here with the combo you have, > > of > >> >> itunes 9.0.2.25, and jaws11. > >> >> I'll tell you here, if you are persistent, that the secret I think > >> >> I've > >> >> discovered with filling in forms on this puppy, > >> >> is, ... ok, deep breath here. > >> >> first of all, disable autoForms mode, in verbosity menu, so jaws11 > >> >> behaves > >> >> like older jaws versions, where you had to hit enter to turn on forms > >> > mode, > >> >> and jaws would say, forms mode on etc. > >> >> > >> >> second, in Itunes, There's not what we'd consider normative virtual > >> >> cursor > >> >> and realWorld cursor > >> >> corelation, between what your hearing as you navigate with arrows, and > >> > what > >> >> Itunes itself actually thinks has focus. > >> >> Meaning, unlike on normal webPages, They don't track each other. > >> >> in other words, if you hit f6 to get to the virtual cursor type pane, > > and > >> >> you arrow > >> >> around, as you naturally would in virtual cursor land, to read all the > >> >> surrounding forms labels, and what it's asking you to do, e.g. type > > your > >> >> email address as apple ID, type your passWord, verify your passWord, > > make > >> > up > >> >> a question to help them with IDentity, > >> >> type your answer to that question, > >> >> Ehnter your date of birth to help us verify, with Day and month list > >> > Boxes, > >> >> then checkboxes for Would you like to recieve the following via email, > >> >> new releases and additions to the ITunes store CheckBox, > >> >> News, software updates, special offers etc checkbox, > >> >> with the Go back, cancel, and continue buttons at the bottom, > >> >> > >> >> so, if you get to a place where you can read all that with your > >> >> virtual > >> >> cursor arrows, > >> >> and so you try and start to fill in this form and arrow down to the > > first > >> >> edit box from the top which you see a label for, called Email address, > >> >> and > >> >> hit enter there, jaws wil indeed say, Forms mode on, but, as you > >> > discovered, > >> >> it won't let you type anything there, because, ITunes hasn't > > immediately > >> >> brought focus to that edit box and enabled normal application > >> >> interaction, > >> >> as you'd expect it to. > >> >> in other words, you haven't actually tabbed to the edit box. > >> >> That's what you gotta do all the time n this puppy, tab to things > > rather > >> >> than arrowing to them in virtual pc cursor land. > >> >> > >> >> Basically the major deal with this is, you've got to tab to each edit > >> >> box, > >> >> without bothering about hitting enter to turn on forms mode, because > >> > iTunes > >> >> under jaws anyway, automatically gives you typeable edit boxes, > >> >> without > >> >> doing that, but, you have to tab to them first. > >> >> and of course when you do that, to demonstrate it's ready to recieve > >> >> text, > >> >> you can hit numPad Plus, and it should say, "PC Cursor," rather than > >> >> "virtual Pc cursor," which it will say, if your in virtual pc land. > >> >> > >> >> But, of course, this means, that you can't just flip out of forms > >> >> mode, > >> > back > >> >> into virtual cursor land again, to try and read around your area, as > > you > >> >> normally would, to get a sense of what your supposed to do next, in > >> > between > >> >> each form field. > >> >> it won't allow you. it'll stay "stuck," in it's own version of forms > >> >> mode. > >> >> it'll recieve text in that edit box now, but, you won't be able to > > arrow > >> >> anywhere up or down out of that, because your in the ITunes forced > >> >> kind > >> >> of > >> >> forms mode, or > >> >> direct interactivity with the application mode, > >> >> etc. > >> >> > >> >> see what I mean when I say it's reeeally tricky? and we haven't got > >> >> the > >> > half > >> >> of it yet! > >> >> > >> >> ok so you now tab to each edit box, and fill them in as some of the > >> > prompts > >> >> will at least now identify partially what they are for. i.e. > >> >> 1. email address as apple ID, > >> >> 2. passWord, > >> >> 3. Verify password, > >> >> etc. > >> >> now you can try and route jawsCursor to pc cursor, but, you wil find a > >> > whole > >> >> bunch of interwoven and confused information there, but at least the > >> > account > >> >> registration pane is visible to jawsCursor. so it's quite hard with > > that, > >> > to > >> >> figure out what goes where, if you get stuck. > >> >> now if you tab to a place where you hear, a number like,1, that means > >> >> your > >> >> not in an edit box, and, you will have been returned to the virtual Pc > >> >> cursor mode, so you can once again use your arrows to explore the page > > if > >> >> you need to, but be aware that in this mode, you may not be able to > > read > >> >> information, that you've actually typed into your edit boxes above. > > don't > >> >> freek out at that. if you wanna confirm them, shiftTab back to each > > one, > >> > and > >> >> hit readCurrent line to checkem. > >> >> turning on SayHighlightedText for ScreenEcho, with insert+s, to the > > point > >> >> where it says, "highlighted," mayh also help to more automatically > >> >> read > >> > some > >> >> edit box text. screen echo is set to none by default in the Jaws > >> >> Config > >> > for > >> >> ITunes eh. > >> >> > >> >> ok. so the next edit box is the question you should make up, to help > > them > >> >> identify you. jaws should say Question edit. > >> >> so you can type that there, then tab to next edit box, which should > >> > identify > >> >> as, "answer edit," and type the answer. > >> >> > >> >> ok so next, is the slightly trickier bit. > >> >> jaws might just say, 1." if you hit jawsKey+UpArrow, to read current > >> >> line, > >> >> you'll hear what they want you to do here. it's actually a day list > > box, > >> > to > >> >> enter your date of birth. but, to make it actually work with arrow > > keys, > >> >> you've got to turn off virtual cursor at this point, with insert+zed. > >> >> because unlike the edit boxes, it's not smart enough to do this for > > you, > >> > to > >> >> enable list box arrow navigation. > >> >> so, hit insert+zed, to turn off the virtual cursor temporarily. now, > >> >> this, > >> >> day, listbox, should actually change as you hit arrow keys, but of > > course > >> >> you won't hear the changes as your making them. you'll have to hit > >> >> ReadCurrent line, to hear what your up to at any given point, to > > confirm > >> >> what your entering is correct. > >> >> . home and end do also work to jump to 1 to 31 in this listBox. > >> >> > >> >> then tab again to the next Month list Box. this is more easily > > identified > >> >> because jaws should say, "january," which is the first month selected. > >> > same > >> >> deal. use arrows to change, and readCurrentLine to verify. > >> >> > >> >> lastly on that first page, there's two more check boxes, which > >> >> spaceBar > >> >> should work to alter, about special offers and junk to recieve via > > email. > >> >> then some go back, cancel and continue buttons. > >> >> > >> >> then you get your payment information stuff. again, you can explore > > the > >> >> page with virtual cursor arrows, before you begin tabbing to things, > > but > >> > you > >> >> won't be able to just hit enter to start editing anything here, like > > your > >> >> card number etc. you have to tab to them, then don't hit enter, just > >> >> start > >> >> typing them. ituens should except them. > >> >> the expiration dates for your card, are the same type of listBoxes as > > the > >> >> Birthday month on previous page. you must turn off virtual Cursor with > >> >> insert+zed, then navigate these with arrows. > >> >> then turn it back on again, to do the rest of the page of edit boxes. > > you > >> >> don't need to enter anything into the edit box where it says, "code," > > or > >> >> title, just fill in your first name last name address etc, all those > > edit > >> >> boxes, should speak their labels relatively intuitively as you tab > >> >> through > >> >> this. > >> >> > >> >> oh yeah. also, if you take too long, you might get a "your session has > >> > timed > >> >> out! please gry your operation from the beginning!" and that wil no > > doubt > >> >> bring you great joy! hahahahaha. not! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> All the best with that eh. > >> >> let us know if your successful. but, if you really wanna actually be > > able > >> > to > >> >> indepednently buy anything, if itunes 8 will do what you need with > >> >> your > >> >> IPhone, I'd heartily recommend, after you've registered your account > >> >> as > >> >> above, because all that applies to ITunes 9, not 8, uninstalling 9, > >> >> and > >> >> installing 8.2.1. or installing it perhaps on another user profile > > under > >> >> windows, if it'll let you do that. so you can maybe actually buy > > things. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> all the best with this and please let me know if your successful at > >> >> following this rediculousness! > >> >> > >> >> geoff c. > >> >> > >> >> To: <chill-out-lounge@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; > >> >> <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <blindtech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 1:04 AM > >> >> Subject: [jawsscripts] Itunes Being a Pain!!! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hellow, > >> >> > I'm just trying to register with itunes so I can get things for the > > ap > >> >> store > >> >> > for my aiphone, but I can't seem to be able to type in the boxes > > where > >> > I'm > >> >> > meant to without a lot of difficulty. Also I can't at all select > >> >> > the > >> >> expiry > >> >> > date when I fill in my card details. Does anyone have any ideas how > > to > >> >> fix > >> >> > this? > >> >> > > >> >> > I am using the latest version of itunes with jaws 11 and windows 7 > >> >> > on > >> >> > my > >> >> > laptop. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thank you, > >> >> > > >> >> > Harmony. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > __________ > >> >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > >> > http://jawsscripts.com > >> >> > > >> >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > >> >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> __________ > >> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > > http://jawsscripts.com > >> >> > >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at > >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > >> >> > >> >> __________ > >> >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > > http://jawsscripts.com > >> >> > >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at > >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > __________ > >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > > http://jawsscripts.com > >> > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > >> > > >> > __________ > >> > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository > > http://jawsscripts.com > >> > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > >> > > >> > >> __________ > >> Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com > >> > >> View the list's information and change your settings at > >> //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > >> > > > > __________ > > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com > > > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > > > > __________ > Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com > > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts > __________ Visit and contribute to The JAWS Script Repository http://jawsscripts.com View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/jawsscripts