[jawsscripts] Creating a Frame
- From: "Lilac" <lilac@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:51:12 -0400
Hello All,
This is my first post to this list, and I hope it is okay to ask more about
creating frames with Jaws. I have been trying for hours to get a simple frame
to work, which will say the contents of a frame, namely the temperature on a
website, using a keystroke. I have tried using shift control left bracket and
then shift control right bracket, and going through the create a frame dialogue
boxes, inserting a key shortcut, an event and action. I have gone
through the materials in Jaws Help, including creating the sample frame they
give for the Glossary. I am indeed able to replicate the sample frame, however,
I am truly baffled as to why it is not working when it comes to reading the
temperature with a hot key.
One thing I noticed that seemed odd was that when I tried resizing or moving
the frame with the context key in frame viewer, I did not get any info read
with the insert plus down arrow key as I expected. No matter how many times
I pressed the arrow keys to enlarge the frame, it still did not read any text
or give any position info. I did ensure that in control panel, display,
effects, the checkbox for "show windows contents when dragging" is checked as
indicated in Jaws help. I have also tried inputting different numbers
manually in the edit boxes of the position tab in order to change the frame
position.
I am using Jaws 7.10 and Windows xp home.
The website for which I am trying to create this little frame is:
http://text.www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/forecast/city_e.html?on-118&unit=m#cont
I would be very grateful if someone could tell me what I am doing wrong.
Donna
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Chapman" <gch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 2:22 AM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: [BULK] Re: Framing Easy CD-DA Extractor
> Hi lenny.
> sean's on the money here, not that you need my clarification, <grin,> but
> since you addressed to me, I thought I'd just chime in too. <smile.>
>
> Did you not know about the Frames creation tool/wizzard?
> Jaws makes it's own little necessary internal tweaks to precise pixel
> location for start point and width of text etc, when you use the
> controlShiftLeftBracket and controlShiftRightBracket, to set the top left
> and bottom corner of the Frame.
> upon pressing the control+Shift+RightBracket key for bottom right corner,
> even if it's just on the same line as the top left,
> which I presume this will be,
> the initial frames creation wizard will pop up,
> firstly asking you whether you wanna creat a frame or a prompt, with default
> choice on frame, so just hit enter.
> then it'll take you through the 4 or so most basic questions to creating the
> frame.
> wizard style, one at a time, though I would advise picking a shortcut
> keystroke when the question arises,
> so as to be able to MORE EASILY trouble shoot THAT THE TEXT YOU EXPECT TO BE
> IN THE FRAME, REALLY IS IN THE FRAME THAT YOU WANT TO AUTO SPEAK ETC.
> YOU CAN UNASSIGN IT LATER, if you really need the key real estate back
> again.
> Now, here's the trick though. when the wizard is done, it'll leave you in
> frames viewer, focused upon the frame you've just made. BTW, you should also
> be able to hit JawsKey+Down arrow whilst here, and perhaps, (it's a bit
> dodgy but sometimes works, don't despair if it doesn't though,) read the
> frame title plus the text in the frame to help check positioning,
> right there within frames Viewer.
> But, as I say, don't worry if it doesn't work as it's a bit dodgy.
> However, now that your there, first thing you must do, is pop back into the
> frame's property dialog, alt+enter whilst focused on it to do that, then
> controlTab once to the validation tab. you'll be in a list view of two
> default validation rules that it selects for you by default, the first one
> will say, on window title. the, on, part, means that this validation rule is
> active. you can disable it to off, by toggling spaceBar whilst focused on
> it.
> But, this is the one you nearly always have to change whenever you make
> frames, since it almost always grabs extra text from your application or
> TopLevel window, than you necessarily want,
> which is too specific at the time of making the frame, such as a percentage
> completed figure or the name of the cd or song or whatever, which of course,
> will change all the time, and cause the frame not to work most of the time.
> . i.e. it's dynamic. what you need in this window title validation rule, is
> to insure it only contains static text, that you know, and are sure, is
> going to be in that window title,every time you want the frame to function.
> else, it obvoiusly won't fire, because it'll fail on the exact match of the
> window title criteria, which is the default validation rule it's chosen for
> you here.
> you can change these rules if you need to make it more specific, to other
> things, like window contains, or even frame contains I think as well.
> but don't worry about that for now.
> So, on that list of two rules, window title, and down arrow you'll see
> window class, which you can usually leave alone, arrow back up to window
> title and press f2, which allows immediate editing of the window title text
> for that rule.
> then edit out any dynamic text that you think might change, and leave only
> static text in here,
> that you know won't ever change. tip: if you really aren't sure, as it's not
> always easy to define this absolutely someteims,
> you might just like to disable this rule instead, by hitting spaceBar when
> outside this edit box, back in the list view. But, if you do that, be aware
> it may speak/fire under more circumstances than you might desire.
> So, it's usually good to leave something there if you can, usually the name
> of the app itself is pretty safe bet.
> so, hit f2 to edit this, edit it and hit enter.
> then tab around to ok and hit enter, then alt+f4 to quit frames viewer, and
> y for yes to save.
> now test the frame with your keystroke. and see if you get joy.
>
> BTW, alt+Delete coordinates, will return only the whole screen Coordinates,
> which is not helpful for you anywayz when defining frames, which to answer
> your other question, you want to leave relative to window, not to screen.
> which it will be by default if you use their frames creation wizard tool.
>
> BTW, with HotSpotclicker (hsc) installed though, using alt+shift+Delete
> keystrokes, you can press once to get Screen Coordinates, without all the
> other gumph that alt+delete throws you which makes you forget the numbers
> afterwards, or double press to get relative window coordinates. hsc even
> allows you to define which type of window you wish the double Press of
> alt+shift+delete, to feed you, either Application, TopLevel, or
> CurrentWindow, through rotering the
> doubleClicking of the Control+alt+shift+f7 keystroke.
>
>
> see how that goes.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean Farrow" <sean.farrow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 6:47 AM
> Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: [BULK] Re: Framing Easy CD-DA Extractor
>
>
> Hi lennie use the automatically frame positioning ctrl +shft +[ to set
> the top left and ctrl +shift +] to set the bottom.
> Sean.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:jawsscripts-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Lennie Rinaldi
> Sent: 14 March 2008 19:43
> To: jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [BULK] [jawsscripts] Re: Framing Easy CD-DA Extractor
> Importance: Low
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I am finally getting back to try to create a frame for Easy CD-DA
> Extractor version 11. I tried to create a new one, but I am not
> successful in getting Jaws to speak the text within the frame. I don't
> know how I did it with Jaws 8 and Easy CD-DA Extractor version 10.
>
> Perhaps, I don't quite understand the differences with Event tab,
> Validation tab and Positioning tab.
>
> I do not want to use a short-cut key to speak the frame. I tried to pick
> some text for the frame to use to compare when the window pops up in the
> validation tab. I don't have any event set up except to speak the text
> within the frame. I think that the positioning is not correct.
>
> When the window is open (this only occurs when the CD is being
> copied) I put the Jaws cursor at the beginning of the text and do
> alt+delete to get the position from the left side and the distance
> from the top. I also enter the height and the length of the text.
> Apparently, I am not doing this correctly. One area that I am confused
> is what to use for the frame, relative to the window or relative to the
> screen.
>
> I notice that when the window pops up, it is not maximized. If I
> maximize it during the extracting, it changes the position.
>
> I am really stump! There must be some way to get Jaws to speak the text
> when the window pops up.
>
> Any suggestions from you or someone else on the list will greatly be
> appreciated. If you need any more information, let me know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lennie
>
> At 08:06 PM 3/2/2008, you wrote:
>>lenny, though I can't help directly with a script based approach to
>>solving this, in troubleshooting your frame issues, have you identified
>
>>that the frame you've set up, actually correctly surrounds the area
>>where the song titles are being written, by attaching it to a
>>keystorke, and continually pressing this keystroke manually first? to
> see if at least this works?
>>
>>when trouble shooting frames, which I've done a fair bit of, it's
>>important to first absolutely assure that the info is, actually
>>contained in the frame you've made, and that it doesn't shift,
>>depending on various factors, one of which might be lenth of title etc.
>>
>>another thing to be really aware of when creating a frame to do things,
>
>>is what is written in both it's class and window title match criteria,
>>found in controlTab number 2 of the frames properties configuration
> dialog.
>>I'd suggest making a bran new frame, if you haven't already, rather
>>than modifying your existing one, and, after you've made it, check to
>>see what is written in the match criteria, especially for the window
> title of the app.
>>e.g. only text which is constantly always in the application window
>>titleBar, should be included in this window title match criteria, else
>>of course the frame will not work. when the frame is created, a
>>snapshot of the window title is taken, and shoved in here, but, for
>>example, if there's some percentage completed info in there, which of
>>course wil vary all the time, this information must be eliminated from
>>the window title criteria, so that only what is constant, will remain
> as part of the match criteria.
>>this isn't necessarily always easy to determine, but just insure the
>>bare minimum of information you feel is necessary to keep it from
>>speaking in other circumstances, REMAINS IN THIS VALIDATION CRITERIA.
>>HIT F2 TO EDIT THESE BY THE WAY.
>>only then will the frame ever fire, either with keystroke, or with the
>>feature to speak all information written to the frame.
>>
>>The class information must also be right as well. though this is
>>usually not a problem if you make the frame for the version your
>>working in, but might certainly break it from working if you try and
>>utilize a frame across versions, where the window class of the area
>>displaying the information you want your frame to read, could very well
>
>>have altered, and most probably has.
>>
>>tip: you can also temporarily disable either of these criteria, or add
>>different criteria to your frame triggering, by hitting spaceBar whilst
>
>>over each one, to toggle them off/on, as valid matching criteria.
>>THIS MIGHT HELP YOU TROUBLE SHOOT THE FRAME, I.E. DISABLE ONE OR OTHER
>>OR BOTH OF THESE, AND SEE IF YOUR FRAME WORKS WITH A KEYSTORKE. IF IT
>>DOES, AND STOPS WHEN YOU ENABLE ONE OR OTHER OR BOTH OF THEM AGAIN,
>>THEN YOU KNOW WHAT'S CAUSING IT TO BREAK.
>>
>>SE BOTH al Message -----
>>From: "Lennie Rinaldi" <merlin739@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 9:53 AM
>>Subject: [jawsscripts] Framing Easy CD-DA Extractor
>>
>>
>> > Hi Everyone,
>> >
>> > I recently installed the latest version of Easy CD-DA Extractor
>> > version 11.1. When I used to run version 10.5 to rip a CD, I had to
>> > create a frame to have Jaws to speak the title of each song being
> copied.
>> >
>> > However, The same frame in the old version does not work with
>> > version 11.1. I tried modifying the frame, but after numerous
>> > changes, nothing is working like it did in the older version of Easy
>
>> > CD-DA
>>Extractor.
>> >
>> > Is there anyone out there using the latest version of this program
>> > and was able to figure out how to get Jaws to speak the titles while
>
>> > the titles are being copied? Perhaps, writing a script would be a
>> > better way? I am a novice at writing scripts, but with any help or
>> > suggestions from the list, I may be able to write one? I know that
>> > Jim Grimsby has written some script for this program and it is
>> > running in Jaws 9 without any problems, but his script does not
>> > satisfy the speaking of copying titles.
>> >
>> > Many thanks for any suggestions and help.
>> >
>> > Frustrated Lennie
>> >
>> >
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