Valid points.
Generated links on the fly will still be an issue. But at least then I'm at
the same point as my sighted colleagues.
At least if the link is there I can see it as fast as the sighted folks can as
well. In terms of generated urls on the fly there are security tools that can
provide protection against that on the network level.
But thanks for the java code. Its interesting.
Have a good day.
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This is why I gave you that code example. To see that if you right-click the
link and copy the shortcut to clipboard, the copied URL is not always the real
target URL that will be opened if the user will click or hit enter or
Shift+Enter on that link.
The sighted users are not able to see that URL either. They will see just the
content of the href attribute which is useless for more reasons.
A JAWS script might be helpful to find the content of the href attribute
faster, but not for security reasons, and not for the reason of finding the
real destination of the links.
It is good if the JAWS script helps you, but you need to know what it can do
and what it can't.
"what I was after was a short cut to determining where the link would take one
too. E.g. what is displayed on the web site isn't where the link will really
take you too."
Remember that this is not possible.
The real destination URL might not exist at all in the source code of the web
page, but it might be generated right after clicking on the link, so....
if it doesn't exist, you can't find it. :)
--Octavian
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From: "Shan Noyes" <shan.noyes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:59 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: A scripting browser problem!!!
Hi:
Yes, the links generated at OnClick or run time should still be an issue.
I'll have to test that out as well. However, what I was after was a
short cut to determining where the link would take one too. E.g. what
is displayed on the web site isn't where the link will really take you too.
The sighted folks can see where a link is going to take them to by
hovering the mouse over the link and I've been told the place that the
link would take them to is displayed on the screen.
I can get the same info but it caused a lot of extra steps.
e.g.
1. put the focus on the html link on the display.
2. hit the applications key, or shift + f10 3. select copy link this
copies the link to the clipboard.
4. switch over to say notepad and paste it in.
Well I monkeyed around with the key sequences etc, and then thanks to
some suggestions on this list specifically the snowman and its really
cool now how it works for me.
I hit a key sequence when my focus is on a link and the place that the
link will take me to shows up in a jaws dialog box.
Yes, the important thing is to keep one's software upto date to
protect yourself on the internet. In security I deal with this all the time.
But one of the things I see quite often Are attacks that say this is
such and such a site. The user has an account on that site and the
e-mail is trying to get them to click on the site for the upgrade.
But The page they go to looks exactly like what they would expect,
however, it's a landing page to steal the user's credentials.
Anyways, I just wanted to be able to check links as fast as my
sighted colleagues, which now I can.
Have a good day everyone.
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The destination URLs can't be known beforehand if they are generated
runtime.
They are generated after a Javascript function is executed, and the JS
code is executed only after a certain event appears, for example an
onClick or something else.
I think that it is not a security problem to just visit an evil web
site if a good and secure browser is used.
If a browser is not secure, then this is the security issue, not the
fact that the user visits a bad site. So I don't think a JAWS script
can improve the security this way.
These are my thoughts when speaking about just clicking on links and
opening web pages as usually.
In other cases, where more complex attacks are involved, allowing for
example the attackers to insert on a good site evil Javascript code
that makes unwanted POST requests with the permissions of the
currently authenticated user, it is something else. The problem in
that case is that site that has vulnerabilities, but a JAWS script
can't improve the security in that case either.
--Octavian
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From: "Jonathan Cohn" <jon.c.cohn@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 5:08 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] Re: A scripting browser problem!!!
Doesn't the WAVE accessibility tool provide a way to list links and
the destinations in them?
Also, often newer pages use a addEventListener() function and not a
onClick attribute. If a event handler is defined using this function
I expect there would be no way for an external application to examine this.
Though the developer tools for Chrome, Safari and Firefox do appear
to have ways of auditing, are there any Security services similar to
the accessibility audits often used by accessibility firms?
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
On Jan 3, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Will that JAWS script also work if the HTML code would be:
<script>function
goToFreedomScientific(){location.href='http://www.evil.com/';}</scri
p
t> <a href=http://www.freedomscientific.com/
onclick="javascript:goToFreedomScientific();return
false;">freedomscientific.com</a>
...because if a site is evil, probably its creators will be able to
do even worse things than this.
--Octavian
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From: "Shan Noyes" <shan.noyes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jawsscripts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 10:13 PM
Subject: [jawsscripts] A scripting browser problem!!!
Hi folks:
First I should say that I'm a relatively new Jaws scripter. I done
some pretty simple scripts like writing key commands that will
look at a web page and read certain areas etc.
Anyways, I work in computer security and one of the things we check
is where are links going to take one too. E.g. an evil person can
make the link so it looks like when you click on it you would be
going to say Freedom scientific's site, but in the html code it
actually takes you to an evil site.
e.g.
the html code for the link would read.
<a href=http://evilsite.com>Freedom Scientific</a>
The place that one goes to is specified by the href statement, but
jaws reads to the user the info after the evilsite>
A sighted person can get this info of where the link will take you
by merely hovering the mouse over the link and it displays the
location on the screen.
Anyways, to get this info as a jaws user one puts the virtual
cursor on the link text, then issues the windows application key
and selects the option for copy link. Then one can go to say
notepad and paste the clipboard and voila you see that the link
that says freedom scientific is actually going to take you to the
evilsite
Way to many steps.
I've have written the following little script and it actually works.
Well
most of the time.
Here's the script. And then I'll ask my questions.
Script CopyRealLink ()
SayString("Please wait")
{shift+f10} ; is the windows application key sequence pause () {
e} ; is the option for copy link
EndScript
This works and one can see where the freedom scientific site will
go to the evilsite.com instead of switching and pasting the link
results into a notepad as stated above I tried the virtual
clipboard with the jawskey + spacebar then the letter c. and the
evilsite link shows up.
Its really cool.
My questions:
1. Rather then having to do the jawskey + spacebar then the letter
c to get the clipboard viewer up I would like to add this into my
script. So should I try and do this via keyboard input or hat
script or fuction should I be calling? I've started reading
through various default jaws .jss files but haven't found what I
think is the answer.
2. Anyone familiar with how to flush or clean out the virtual
viewer after one has read it?
Thanks for any and all of your assistance.
Have a good day.
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