[jaws-uk] Re: Problems with newer programmes eg Win7, Office 2010, WLM etc

  • From: "Graham Page" <gpage@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:09:40 +0100

Hello Ian.

I think there is plenty of evidence out there that key strokes are far from
intuitive.

There are menny examples but let's take a commonly  used one.

To access the current message in Outlook 2007 in a browser, you press alt h
followed by x then v.

Alt h takes you to messages.  No h anywhere in messages.

X then takes you to actions, no x in actions, though V for view in browser
works.

The point is that short cut keys have become rather unintuitive.

Then when using ribbons, once you get to the lower ribbon, the controls are
a mess of buttons, split buttons, check boxes and drop down lists.  I know
FS has produced the virtual ribbon but that is a rather screenreader
specific thing.

I would be very interested to hear how you would go about directing a new
computer user to use the ribbon.  I have found that in general the only way
is to teach short cut keys for those functions that are most used such as f7
for spell check, control n for new message or control o for opening a new
document but this is not really ideal and it does not give the new user a
full picture.

Regards

Graham 

-----Original Message-----
From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Iain Lackie
Sent: 18 April 2012 13:23
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Problems with newer programmes eg Win7, Office 2010,
WLM etc

I'm still not encountering problems with Windows Live Mail and JAWS. With 
any change, there is a learning curve. I wonder if people aren't willing to 
take sufficient time to learn. Freedom Scientific have obviusly taken the 
difficulties people were having with the ribbon as they have introduced to 
JAWS the  Virtual Ribbon view. It is my belief that there is a lot of 
expression of the view that certain programs don't work as well with JAWS 
which is expressed at second hand and is not in fact the case. I expect that

having expressed this view, lots of flak will come flying my way.

Iain
-----Original Message----- 
From: Belinda P
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:25 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Problems with newer programmes eg Win7, Office 2010, 
WLM etc

This message follows on from the jaws and WLM discussion really, but is a
wider subject than just about WLM.

I am not a Jaws user myself (I teach people to use it, hence being on this
list), but I do like to use the keyboard a lot, rather than the mouse as I
find it so much quicker to do most things.  What I feel is that older
programmes worked so much better with the keyboard than newer programs.
Windows XP, Office 2003, Outlook Express for example, these all worked
really well using the keyboard, and were quite easy to teach to Jaws users.
Now though - with Vista, Windows 7, Office 2007/10, Windows Live Mail etc -
it has become a lot harder to use the keyboard with these programmes, and
therefore a lot harder to teach.  And what I notice is that people say there
are problems with Jaws working with these programmes (at least at first,
until Freedom Scientific sort it out).  So isn't it a problem with the way
the programmes are written and designed, rather than with Jaws?  Shouldn't
we be feeding back to Microsoft about the way these programmes are written
these days?

I hope I'm making some sense, I'm finding it a bit hard to put this into
words.  What do people think?
Belinda


-----Original Message----- 
From: Husna Begum
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:07 PM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws and wlm - or Thunderbird

but what i want to know is how comes jaws doesn't support wlm etc fully,
it's been out for 3 years or something. the support should not be still
patchy after all this time.

Husna


-----Original Message----- 
From: David Bailes
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 10:28 AM
To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: jaws and wlm - or Thunderbird

Hi Belinda,
Mozilla thunderbird is an alternative to windows live mail.
Unfortunately, both programs have accessiblity problems, and problems with
Jaws support.

David.

original message:
What about Mozilla Thunderbird?  Is that an alternative to Windows Live
Mail?
Belinda
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