Hi Tink, yes. Your understanding is correct. Now, to disclose my own practice. I use both or either speech and/or braille. (I think that older braille displays which don't have the shortforms - such as lnk for link, ed for edit, etc. - would render the word edit in ful.) Older versions of screen readers, or different screen readers? There we may be in different territory. You may want to hear from more braille-display users before proceeding. I have not so far experienced any particular difficulties vis-a-vis using braille versus speech, reading Web sites in JAWS6.2. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Braille displays and web forms. Flor, Thanks. So, if I understand you correctly, a person using Braille feedback, encountering an empty edit field for the first time, would find the Braille symbols for the word, "ed", given in whichever Grade of Braille was selected in the configuration of Jaws? Sorry to be precise about this, but I'd like to be sure I have my facts absolutley right before I go wading in with the answer! Thanks again. Tink. -----Original Message----- >From: jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaws-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: 17 August 2005 17:43 To: jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jaws-uk] Re: Braille displays and web forms. Hi Tink, I believe that JAWS-using braille display users will see the symbol "ed" (written in either Grade I or grade II braille - according to their preference set, and without the quotes.) which indicates that an edit field is present, with/without text already there. At that point, they may enter Forms Mode. Also, it's possible to use JAWS mnemonics to locate the field, i.e., e for Edit; b for Button; f for Form Element, etc.; (and with shift those letters go back to the previous same field). ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tink Watson" <tink@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "Access UK" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Jaws UK" <jaws-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Window Eyes" <gw-info@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <bcab-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:28 PM Subject: [jaws-uk] Braille displays and web forms. Good afternoon, Apologies for the cross post. Hoping some refreshable Braille display users can help with the following... If a form on a web page contains an edit box, and the edit box doesn't have any place holding text already in it, can a person using only Braille with their screen reader detect that the edit box is present? It's been suggested that unless some text is already given in the box, perhaps, "Enter your name here", then the box isn't detectable. The second part of my enquiry, if the above suggestion holds true, is whether a space entered into the box would make any difference to the detection of the edit box. To give all this some context, we're trying to find a solution that works for audio and Braille feedback screen reader users. All too often, when information is entered into an edit box that already contains some text, the two get combined and you end up with something like, "Enter your name here John Smith". There are JavaScript solutions that automatically delete the existing text from the box, when the user tabs to it, but if you are one of the estimated 10% of Internet users without JavaScript, this doesn't help. The next idea was to do away with using any place holding text in an edit box all together, which is when the possibility of Braille users not being able to identify edit boxes was brought up. Hope you'll be able to help, these solutions are usually all the better for actually talking to the people using these technologies. *Smile. 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