Well, hello to all once again. I can now call people on the net from my internal network. I just created a destination and ip rule. Problem 1)I still cannot receive. The call comes in but when I accept there is a delay and then a message on the external client says that the internal client cannot receive calls. The internal client is registered with the gatekeeper and shows under active terminals Problem 2)If the external client on the net does not have a fixed ip and subnet I cannot seem to create destination and rule that works. If I don't create destination I am told that the person I am calling is not registered with the gatekeeper. Ip address is 194.204.x.x and the ISP subnet is 255.255.255.0 . Any ideas appreciated. William PS I read the book, I say the help and I've seen the site.....and I am still stuck......I followed to the letter guys....I feel totally stupid