http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- What do you find in the ISA logs for those tests? IE7 "tabs" feature operates as separate IE "instances" and can quickly bury ISA requests needing authentication. ------------------------------------------------------- Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! ------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Addicks Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 14:08 To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Granted. We have occasionally used it that way, but now we set the proxy settings via group policy. Currently, my setup is to have the proxy specified in the IE options, with the auto not checked. Chris -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:55 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Not exactly. The browser will "use the FWC" (not exactly accurate) if the proxy settings are completely removed and "auto" is disabled. ------------------------------------------------------- Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! ------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:57 To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work The browser will use the firewall client if your rule allowing http out requires authentication. Amy ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Addicks Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:46 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work The browser should not be using the firewall client, but I have tried it both enabled and disabled. Here is my latest update, and it just gets weirder: I loaded IE7 on my main desktop, again. And again, I could not get through to the web using my login username and password. I did not go any further, but instead logged off. I logged on as a new domain user I created just so I could have one that I was sure did not have any sort of cached profile, anywhere. I was able to get through immediately, no username/password prompt at all. The ISA monitor showed the correct credentials being used. I then logged off and logged on again using my usual username and password. This time, when I started IE7, it got through immediately. Again, the ISA monitor shows the correct username and password. So now it works, but I sure wish I knew what the problem was/is. When I get a chance, I will go to the other user's machine who tried to load it and see if I can repeat the process. I will let you all know. Chris ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amy Babinchak Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:51 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work Maybe there's a problem with your firewall client? Have you tried a repair or uninstall/reinstall on it? Amy ________________________________ From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Chris Addicks Sent: Mon 11/13/2006 10:51 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Jim, Thanks for the clarification. My statement regarding the ISA server generating the username/password box was a poor choice of words. I knew the client generated the box because the ISA server requested the credentials. And I know that all initial communication with ISA is 'anonymous', but looking at the monitoring logs in the ISA Server Management application, it is usually followed by a request with the actual user credentials. This never occurred with IE7. I am using ISA 2004 Standard Edition, SP2, no additional hot fixes after SP2. The box is Windows 2003, SP1, with all updates as of today, except the IE7 upgrade. I read with interest Glenn Johnston's post and decided to try a few experiments. On a Windows XP virtual machine, I loaded IE7 Logging on with my usual account, I tried to use IE7 and got the username/password box and tried to use my login account, again with no success. I tried another username and password, and was successful. Each time I checked the remember password box. I closed IE7 and reopened it and got through with no prompt. The ISA monitoring log show that I am using the second username, not the one I logged in with. Logged off and logged on again, and IE7 worked fine still using the second username. Logged off, and logged on, this time using the second username. Opened IE7 and got through without the prompt. Logged off, and logged on as Administrator. Opened IE7 and got through without the prompt. The ISA monitor shows the Administrator username being passed to it. I removed my normal user's profile from the computer and then logged off and back on using my normal username. Opened IE7 and was prompted for username and password. My usual one would not work, but the alternative one did. I tried using the reset button, and the clear passwords button, but IE7 never prompted again for a username (I had checked the remember username button), so apparently the reset button doesn't clear the remembered password. During all of this, when my normal username/password failed, I checked AD to be sure my account was not locked out. It wasn't. I have only had this problem with the released IE7, not the Beta. I was running the Beta fine, downloaded and installed the release version, immediately hit this problem. Sorry for being long winded, but wanted to show my attempt at troubleshooting in detail. Chris -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Harrison Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:58 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Let's clarify a couple of things first: "..it should have problems with Microsoft's own firewall product.." IE7 was tested against ISA 2004 & 2006 (I still hurt from some of that). What you describe is not "normal behavior". "..I think it must be something on the ISA server, that is where the username and password box is coming from.." Not even close; any authentication popup you see is generated by the client application; never the server. It is however generated (again; by the client application) as a result of the server/proxy replying to the request with a "must authenticate" response. Please don't go the "but FBA is generated by the server" route; this isn't an "authentication popup" as we're discussing here. "..my pc is not sending user credentials and appears to be only trying to access the internet as an anonymous user.." Get used to it; this is the way of HTTP communication. It happens as like unto thusly for all web requests. 1. client connects to server/proxy 2. client sends "gimme stuff" 3. server/proxy responds with "tell me who you are" 4. client sends same request as before, but this time with credentials 5. server/proxy responds according to its (dis)like of those credentials Thus, all ISA things being equal between IE testing events, the difference is in IE. Again; this is dependent on "all ISA things being equal"... I too have been playing with ISA & IE through all the various beta & RC releases and have never observed the behavioral changes you describe. Thus, you must have either changed: ISA settings IE settings What you don't state is: - ISA edition; SE or EE? - ISA patches; what SP / rollup level are you running? - IE configuration: - what defaults have you changed? - have you used the very-useful "reset " button (Tools, Internet Options, Advanced, "Reset" button)? -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Addicks Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:20 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- I do not have the "require all users to authenticate" checked. I prefer to specify the authentication in the individual rules since we have some specific client programs that we are required to use that will not provide authentication, so for those destinations and protocols only, I allow non-authenticated traffic through. If I checked the box, like Thor, then these clients would fail. One thing to point out. I did not have this problem with the final RC of IE7. It only occurred when I loaded the released version. We also get the username/password box occasionally even with IE6, but supplying the info clears it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Thor (Hammer of God) Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 2:46 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Except that anonymous access will still be possible. I require all users to authenticate at the listener and have not had any issues like this at all. t ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Morgan" <MMorgan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Uncheck "require all users to authenticate" on the ISA, it will still authenticate and your problem should go away. -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Addicks Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:03 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Ara, I just restarted the whole server and still no luck. I monitored the traffic from my pc on the firewall, and it is failing my general internet access rule because my pc is not sending user credentials and appears to be only trying to access the internet as an anonymous user. Chris -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ara Avvali Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:12 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Do you think you can restart firewall service? There will be a shortage but it may help. Sometimes it happens to me and this is the only way I can get it go away. Actually it happens after restarting the PDC -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Addicks Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:06 AM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Steve, I just checked and integrated authentication is enabled. I tried loading it on another machine, and still no luck. I think it must be something on the ISA server, that is where the username and password box is coming from. I just can't figure it out. Chris -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Moffat Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:19 AM To: ISA Mailing List Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- It's not an IE 7 issue, I have just finished a 500 user rollout with no IE7 / ISA issues. Is integrated authentication enabled in IE7 properties? S -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Addicks Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:03 AM To: ISA Mailing List Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- Roland, Sorry for being dense, but I don't know what you mean by the "section checked passwords". If you mean the checkbox to remember passwords, I have tried it both checked and unchecked. I have also entered my username in all the forms I could think of: domain\username, username@xxxxxxxxxxxx, domain.local\username, etc. I have since unloaded IE7 so I could function, but it strikes me as odd that it should have problems with Microsoft's own firewall product. Chris -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mueller, Roland Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:55 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Re: Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- I would research the section "cheched passwords" on the requesting client. Roland -----Original Message----- From: isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:isalist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Addicks Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 3:35 PM To: isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [isalist] Internet Explorer 7 password prompt won't work http://www.ISAserver.org ------------------------------------------------------- We have been using ISA 2004 for some time now with no problems. We have configured it to require user authentication for access to the internet from our internal network. I have been using IE7 Beta with no real problems, but when I loaded the IE7 production release, I am prompted for a username and password by the isa server, and no matter how I enter it, I cannot get through the firewall. I have also tried to load IE7 on another machine, one that has not had the IE 7 beta, and it does the same thing. Anyone know what is going on here, I am sure it is just something I am missing? Thanks in advance, and my apologies if this has already been covered. I tried to find info on the isaserver.org site, but couldn't. 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