It seem the restart issue I was having cleared itself after I applied two patches to the server. However just tonight I received the following error message in ISA 2k4 Server. I did what it asked however the error appears with a bit of time and the Firewall service also stops working. So I am not sure what else to do but to maybe rebuild the server!? Description: The ISA Server Web filter failed to log information to MSDE Database ISALOG_20050914_WEB_000 in path C:\Program Files\Microsoft ISA Server\ISALogs. The MSDE Error description is: Warning: Fatal error 5180 occurred at Sep 14 2005 6:57PM. The problem may be resolved by restarting the MSSQL$MSFW service. For more information about this event, see ISA Server Help. The failure is due to error: Unspecified error Andrew ________________________________ The correct technical term for haggis stalking is "havering". <http://haggishunt.scotsman.com/haggisclopedia.cfm?part=5> ________________________________