RE: ISA 2004 and AOL 9.0
- From: TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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- Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:20:32 -0600
Oh, I agree with the educate part. That's why we fax and have them sign off
on recommendations that won't get followed....
Veritas and CA are extremely picky about domain to domain with no trusts in
place. Veritas's phone support is good and all, but there are like 5
installs we have that are having major issues with that and their
recommendation with just give them local admin. My response was we can't,
their domain controllers..... Then she repeated herself. Then I asked for
my $86 back. Then she laughed and told me I was funny. Then I went home
and drank a few beers.....
It's Monday, if my brain was geared up I'd come up with something better for
an example for you Jim, but alas, the well is currently dry.....
Hi ho, hi ho! Back to modifying GPO's I go.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:10 PM
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YaDamnSkippy!
Your "backup breakage" example is a poor one; there are system and domain
rights tailored specifically to that task.
So long as you're willing to let the tail wag the dog, you get what you
create.
I'll also stipulate that there are customers that don't want to "deal with
the hassles" of non-local-admin users and this makes your life a living hell
come virus / worm time, but if you're not continually banging on them, it's
your own fault and you get what you take.
Educate, educate, educate.
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-----Original Message-----
From: TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 09:53
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Subject: [isalist] RE: ISA 2004 and AOL 9.0
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Some businesses run out of AOL accounts. Just because it's not a good idea
doesn't mean people won't demand to do it.
Just like a few places we support demand that the end users have the
abilities of administrator on the local system even though they don't need
it. It's definitely not a good idea, but it's a requirement by their
corporate IT. And if it makes or breaks a $4 million sale, administrator
you shall be. Then they get audited. Then their IT staff gets grumpy.
Then you take away local admin. They get more grumpy since it breaks their
backup software.... Fun, fun for everyone!
So, Jim, you'd refuse to configure a system for someone because it wasn't
the best choice?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:35 AM
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That's so cute; relating AOL client to basic security needs...
I'll stipulate that the clients often have conflicting requirements, but
it's up to you; the security expert, to educate them.
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Jim Harrison
MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG
http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/
http://isatools.org
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-----Original Message-----
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End user requirements.... End user requirements.... Just like nobody should
be local administrator if they don't need it....
-----Original Message-----
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 11:12 AM
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AOL has no place in a business!
<Blast shields up, fire away.>
John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
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