"-Wayne Who always asks where the support engineer is located." Ah, yes, I never ask, because they always ask where I am then, and when I say Wisconsin, then they are amazed that we even have computers here..... -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Berry [mailto:wayne@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:41 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org On the other hand: The best support I have gotten from Microsoft lately has been out of India. I dealt with one SQL Server support engineer that was so good it made be rethink how I do customer support and how we track issues. After 5 years of honing our software development/customer service skill I realized that we could do better. Another Indian engineer helped with a DNS issue and was just amazing. It only took him a few minutes to figure out and solve and issue that I considered really tough. -Wayne Who always asks where the support engineer is located. -----Original Message----- From: TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:TRadtke@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:35 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Wow, then I've got a case number, 2 "engineers" and a group of tech leads of the Active Directory design side that need a quick dip and a vigorous scrub with lye. The phrase "I don't know, but I/we think..." That and the fact the first guy I talked to never used DCPROMO in his life.... *urg* Definitely not a case of the warm-fuzzies..... We figure it's safer to leave it broken than do what they told us to do. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:18 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org The first "expert" that starts a response with the phrase "I don't know, but I suppose that..." Will get dipped in boiling cat piss after a slide down a 20-foot rusty razor blade. <grr> ------------------------------------------------------- Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! ------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 06:34 To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Wh00t! Tom www.isaserver.org/shinder Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls -----Original Message----- From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CSA1) * [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:32 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org You forgot "I can do it easily without a split DNS." ----- Robert Bosch Corporation Technical Systems Analyst (RBNA/CSA1) Corporate Sales Reporting Systems 38000 Hills Tech Drive - Farmington Hills, MI 48331 - USA phone: 1 (248) 553-1164 fax: 1 (248) 848-6969 shawn.quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.bosch.us -----Original Message----- From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshinder@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:28 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Sort of like the old chestnuts: "You need the Firewall client for POP3" And "I have a PIX, so I don't need ISA as a firewall" And "The moon is made of green cheese" Tom www.isaserver.org/shinder Tom and Deb Shinder's Configuring ISA Server 2004 http://tinyurl.com/3xqb7 MVP -- ISA Firewalls -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 8:23 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org I'm not - I'm saving that for the "engineer" and his tech lead. It's just pisses me off when folks give "tribal knowledge" troubleshooting advice. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:04 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Dude, he was acting on advice from an ms engineer, I wouldn't jump all over his back... :) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 2:55 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Turning off ISA "solves many problems", too. That doesn't validate the mitigation technique. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Berry [mailto:wayne@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:32 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Jim, I didn't want to get anyone in trouble. After 3 hours I was sort of beat, however in retrospect there is something else that should corrected. Unchecking the box did solve the problem. -Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 7:03 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org This is incorrect. I'll be speaking to the "engineer" tomorrow. ISA 2004 supports "transparent proxy" for VPN clients with and without the HTTP Filter. Disabling that is a mistakw. -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Berry [mailto:wayne@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:58 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Jim, Unless the Internal resource is across a VPN like in my case. Ok, just got off the phone with Microsoft. Here is the problem: 1) I needed to uncheck Web Proxy Filter in the HTTP protocol rules. Basically, I didn't have my browser set to use ISA 2004 as a proxy, I was using it as a gateway for my client and I guess for some reason you don't need the web proxy filter. Which is really odd, since external worked, just not the VPN network. Support thought it might be related to not having the external IP of the destination gateway of the VPN in my IP for the VPN network on the ISA 2004 server however adding it didn't help. -Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:Jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:49 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Your definition is a waste. There is no reason to force internal clients through ISA to internal resources. ------------------------------------------------------- Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! ------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Berry [mailto:wayne@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 11:43 To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org Dan, The guy at Microsoft support said that there are two sessions with a proxy connection like would happen with HTTP, however the connections are made on the networks that are involved and not from Local Host. So in my case it is the Internal and Remote networks. Which means that if I am connecting from the Internal network with the ISA proxy the local host doesn't need access to the Remote network. My definition of proxy in this case is two connection, client to ISA and ISA to web server, not a bridge. -Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Ball, Dan [mailto:DBall@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:42 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Host Server Unreachable http://www.ISAserver.org The ISA server itself is referred to as "Local Host" as far as policies is concerned. If you don't have a policy to allow you to connect from the ISA server to your webserver, you will need to add one. The computers on your internal network probably are contacting the server directly if they are on the same subnet. 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