Hi Shawn, I agree 100! Just was pointing out that this stuff takes time and is fun in the process. And, because of my association on this list and trying to be an admin when I'm a programmer! <grin>, I'm trying to learn from the best. So, while I work on the longest started project ever...2 years now since I first installed ISA and started learning about all the fun things and creating wonderful things for. If anyone has ideas about what they would like to see that isn't yet available due to price please let me know, I will do my best to create something that I can learn with and share with the group. I'll be done testing the last of the move and import scripts this weekend. I've only been home for 3 months out of the last year and since being home, I've been busily testing and creating. Thank you all for waiting patiently! Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CIT1.1) * [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:38 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org Hey Joseph, I agree with you with regards to enterprise development, wasn't trying to say that developing automation projects was comparable. Let me qualify my comment with more of what I was thinking. In my experience many admins simply will not make the time to learn the scripting and automation languages. It is one of the best things I've done. I have a slew of ISA scripts that I use to make changes to multiple standalone machines at once, instead of having to go through the mmc for each of them. I one day will take these and port them into VB so that there is a gui in the mix as well. These are the $15-type shareware programs that I'm referring to. VB makes it easy to crank them out rapidly. Automation projects that would be beneficial to the community as a whole are certainly worth a couple bucks to the person who took the time to develop them. Enterprise software, completely different story. My reference to using automation languages like VB to learn OOP principles stays at the basics of the concept. Working with objects in simple languages like VB provides a decent foundation for learning how to work in full blown OOP languages. Advanced skills in things like scalability are not as easily acquired. -Shawn ----- Shawn R. Quillman Robert Bosch Corporation RBNA/CIT1.1 38000 Hills Tech Drive Farmington Hills, MI 48331 (248) 553-1164 (P) (248) 848-2855 (F) shawn.quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: cismic [mailto:cismic@xxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:10 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org Hi Shawn, I come from the old school where ASM and COBOL were the languages and the PC occupied multiple buildings. Actually is was simpler then. You would do your 9 to 5 maybe 10 - 6 and go home, unless of course you Had the nightly duty! Now, most people have PC's and some form of programming language. If you have The new versions of MS Office for example you can program with VBA, doing many things. The language is Interpreted but you're not running large enterprise apps. And, you can distribute the MACRO'S to other Users if you want. So, yes any shareware package indeed could be plucked out. However, when it comes To true enterprise development I would always first use someone with that knowledge rather then someone Who can just bang out 15$ programs. With respect to ISA, some of the things I work with could effect how those machines run. Being just a lone Shop now, I need to ware all the hats to make sure that I code, test, debug, have a few people look things over Make changes, study the results and release. If what we did ever harmed or brought down a corporate network The damage caused would be devastating to anyone who wrote the programs. I've been learning how to write C++ filters For isa for a long time in addition to learning how ISA works. It is a great tool with great potential for providing Wonderful simple scripts all the way to labor intensive code for the masses. Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Quillman Shawn (RBNA/CIT1.1) * [mailto:Shawn.Quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:54 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org Yeah, just wait 'til you've gone through all the C++ and then need real Java :) I will say that, working mainly in Windows lately, teaching myself VB was the best thing I've done in a while. Er, professionally of course. It even makes it a lot easier to learn full OOP languages like C++ and Java. Back that with being able to control darn near everything on a Windows box. Another case where the advantages far outweigh the quirks. Plus you can bang out $15 shareware packages in an hour and a half! -Shawn ----- Shawn R. Quillman Robert Bosch Corporation RBNA/CIT1.1 38000 Hills Tech Drive Farmington Hills, MI 48331 (248) 553-1164 (P) (248) 848-2855 (F) shawn.quillman@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:41 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org OK; William has now earned himself the title of "BSME". (BS Master Extraordinaire). ;-) Actually, I agree with your assessment of VBScript; that, JScript and cmd scripting have made it possible for "Joe Admin" and even "Joe User" to write functional programs without having a CS degree. Unfortunately, my recent tasking has dictated that I learn "real" programming, and so I find myself taking C classes... The good part is that JScript starts to make sense now... Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison http://isatools.org Read the help, books and articles! ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Robertson" <robertson.william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: "[ISAserver.org Discussion List]" <isalist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 06:44 Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org "A mere VBScript"...?!?!?!?! Nevermind the masterful techniques (which teach me MANY new things every day!!), nor the subtle genius of the execution of the package as a whole, but the fact that VBScript is the most essential portal ever known to man when it comes to managing the beast called Microsoft, I think you must be mistaken Sir!!!! I am eternally proud to say that I know a man by name of Jim Harrison, (oh ok, and a certain Dr S...) who share with the rest of us MERE mortals the secrets to unlocking the Microsoft universe...blah blah blah, sorry, I can only waffle so much nonsense in one breath. No harm meant for the SQL Scripts comment Joe, as once quoted by Jim: "The most eagerly anticipated script...." I'm sure though he meant to add: "2nd only to ISAInfo of course" Cheers guys _____ William Robertson AST Mpumalanga Systems House / Consultant: Software Tel: 013-2472703 / 083 638 0354 Fax: 013-2462236 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Harrison [mailto:jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 24 October 2003 15:36 PM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org Hey; be nice... Can't give Joe that much trouble when ISAInfo is still a mere VBScript... Jim Harrison MCP(NT4, W2K), A+, Network+, PCG http://isaserver.org/Jim_Harrison/ http://isatools.org Read the help / books / articles! On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:52:36 +0200 "William Robertson" <robertson.william@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: http://www.ISAserver.org Dunno Joe, but I do know we're halfway to receiving your SQL Scripts.... ;) -----Original Message----- From: cismic [mailto:cismic@xxxxxxx] Sent: 24 October 2003 03:02 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org Is it half dark or is it half light? Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Greg Mulholland [mailto:greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:48 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] Subject: [isalist] RE: Change of topic http://www.ISAserver.org Good point Im only just deciding whether I want to greet the morning or wait and see how the afternoon is Greg Mulholland gmulholland@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.isaserver.org http://isatools.org http://www.google.com -----Original Message----- From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:johnlist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:17 AM To: [ISAserver.org Discussion List] http://www.ISAserver.org And just how is this confidential? 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